Originally Posted by Chris98

Hmmm, it says you're in commerce, so I say you're either lying or completely dillusional. Cause in the off-chance (REALLY off-chance) that you've been able to somehow avoid these 2/3 lecture a week cores by selecting the one that condenses it to one lecture a night (even though they don't exist for all the commerce mandatory courses...), you would've at least known that they existed considering you've been a non-mentally handicapped student at mac for three years registering for classes and customizing your timetable. And yet again, in the complete off-chance that you've managed to somehow avoid even trying to customize your timetable or even look at the mastertimetable to compare cores/tutorials, you would've know about the 2/3 lectures from friends/people you creep on.

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I honestly don't know what else to say besides "you're stupid."

Originally Posted by mat9

almost all classes have either 1 or 2 or 3 lectures. i know most classes in any faculty usually do a 2 lecture + 1 tutorial thing or 3 lectures + 0 tutorial. :p i dunno why that person didn't realize this considering hes been here for 3 yrs and i've only completed my 1st yr :p

lol she's obviously trolling... come on guys :p

Originally Posted by blackdragon

lol she's obviously trolling... come on guys :p

Being sarcastic isn't the same as trolling.

Don't insult either by comparing them to one another.

About $24,000... tuition

well it takes you 4 years to finish eng program so 8000x4 = 32000$



And how do people manage to cheat sounds interesting

Originally Posted by Mac12

About $24,000... tuition

just noticed you beet me to it

a lot of students in electrical and computer engineering cheat.. In midterms and exams, nobody really cheats.. but labs, assignments, group work are totally passed around(even the profs admit it!) some even go to the extent of asking someone else to attend their lab and complete on behalf of them or sign their name on behalf of them in a tutorial if the tutorial has attendance marks.. its a shame really..

Its partially because these type of students are just there for the degree, who just want that high paying job without acquiring those required engineering skills. They fail to recognize that they can get through uni with the help of friends but they can't get through their job with their friends' help. Nobody will come and sit through their job for them.

And its partially because the courseload in elec and comp eng is so heavy that time is not enough.. the only way to correct this situation is to lower the courseload and increase the time to get a degree from 4 years to say 5 years... I wonder when the faculty will understand this...

Originally Posted by lawleypop

Being sarcastic isn't the same as trolling.

Don't insult either by comparing them to one another.

opinion noted... thanks for input

Having finished electrical engineering, I somewhat agree with the OP. Sure there was a lot of copying of assignments going on in the department at the time and some cheating on tests, but that was less of a occurrence. However, you shouldn't be naive in thinking that the professors and to some extend the administration don't know that this is going on. The problem is that accusing someone of academic dishonesty is a serious thing. There is a lot of paperwork and the investigation isn't taken lightly. I know for a fact that a few profs in my department simply did not want to get involved or were to lazy to accuse a student due to the long process.

On the bright side, as many have said before me, those who cheat are simply cheating themselves. Industry people/employers know whether someone can talk the lingo and knows his stuff over someone that may simply be throwing out memorized information at the interview. For those that get through the interview, its usually their lack of fundamentals and/or their work ethic (cheating shows a very poor work ethic) that gets them the boot not too long into employment.

In the end, its what you get out of your degree that counts. If you think about it we all the students in a particular program are taking the same courses pretty much, but its those that attempt to get the most of the courses that succeed the most in the end.

Originally Posted by pavlov

Having finished electrical engineering, I somewhat agree with the OP. Sure there was a lot of copying of assignments going on in the department at the time and some cheating on tests, but that was less of a occurrence. However, you shouldn't be naive in thinking that the professors and to some extend the administration don't know that this is going on. The problem is that accusing someone of academic dishonesty is a serious thing. There is a lot of paperwork and the investigation isn't taken lightly. I know for a fact that a few profs in my department simply did not want to get involved or were to lazy to accuse a student due to the long process.

On the bright side, as many have said before me, those who cheat are simply cheating themselves. Industry people/employers know whether someone can talk the lingo and knows his stuff over someone that may simply be throwing out memorized information at the interview. For those that get through the interview, its usually their lack of fundamentals and/or their work ethic (cheating shows a very poor work ethic) that gets them the boot not too long into employment.

In the end, its what you get out of your degree that counts. If you think about it we all the students in a particular program are taking the same courses pretty much, but its those that attempt to get the most of the courses that succeed the most in the end.

You couldn't be any more correct man. When you get a degree, you still need to review the facts.

When some one takes engineering + management will the course load become lighter i know that it adds another year but will the work load be the same or less??

thx

Originally Posted by mfattal

When some one takes engineering + management will the course load become lighter i know that it adds another year but will the work load be the same or less??

thx

In general, I find we have less stress and have more time to understand difficult concepts. This is mainly because every management student I know finds the management stuff easier than the engineering courses. You end up getting equivalent work of straight engineering, but a bunch of it is easy work, and my semesters with many management courses end up being jokes.

Originally Posted by BlakeM

In general, I find we have less stress and have more time to understand difficult concepts. This is mainly because every management student I know finds the management stuff easier than the engineering courses. You end up getting equivalent work of straight engineering, but a bunch of it is easy work, and my semesters with many management courses end up being jokes.

That's exactly right in my experience as well.

Originally Posted by gregster

That's exactly right in my experience as well.

but does the world load spread or stays 6 courses per semester??

Thanks for the help

Still around 6 courses a term but you have commerce courses as well, which are typically easier than the engineering ones.

You will have the same number of courses as you would if you were in straight engineering - sometimes more. However, you will be taking courses in economics, commerce and management which are generally easier and/or require less work than engineering courses, resulting in a smaller workload overall.