Agreed. But at the same time we've seen a lot of stuff this past little while where things have been taken out of context and mashed together negatively without first asking questions. Seek a compromise?

and lol @ DannyV

While we're finally seeing some details being released, I can't help but feel that it's all too late. There's a definite "reactive" approach taken by the MSU whereas this whole thing could have been mitigated by being proactive in the first place.

Furthermore, the numbers presented are confusing. Losses are presented as positive numbers and surpluses are represented by negative? (Looking at the Undercovers text and then the table item for Undercovers for reference)

Originally Posted by deadpool

Hopefully this means that someone can explain why I still have a hangover at 6pm?

This is why Rohan: http://icanhascheezburger.co m/?s=Your+liver+called

Originally Posted by DavidR

Furthermore, the numbers presented are confusing. Losses are presented as positive numbers and surpluses are represented by negative? (Looking at the Undercovers text and then the table item for Undercovers for reference)

I think that's the standard way of doing things in accounting. Correct me if I'm wrong.. I'm thinking back to grade nine business class. solid course.

Originally Posted by DannyV

Hitting the "spirit" too hard, Rohan?

Yes I did just make THAT pun

GF's bday + UFC fight

Originally Posted by temara.brown

I think that's the standard way of doing things in accounting. Correct me if I'm wrong.. I'm thinking back to grade nine business class. solid course.

Profits are represented by numbers that are in brackets. Deficits are represented by the numbers which are outside of brackets. It's one style of accounting which's name i currently forgot.

I fully understand that there are different ways of representing accounting results. However, without indicating which method is used it is confusing.

To common folk, positive numbers look good.

All I'm saying is that the accounting methods should be presented along with the data.

Originally Posted by temara.brown

Agreed. But at the same time we've seen a lot of stuff this past little while where things have been taken out of context and mashed together negatively without first asking questions. Seek a compromise?

You would think that for all the cries from the MSU insiders that The Silhoutte was wrong (which has now become the call of the innocent; 'the media took it out of context) that the MSU would have released the evidence that supposedly clears them a long time ago.

How about this for a compromise; the MSU either produces the unedited documents they claim to have and proves The Silhoutte wrong, or the MSU insiders stop claiming the The Silhoutte took you 'out of context' without producing a shread of evidence to back your statements.

I was thinking a compromise more as in an unedited version with little comments that could pop out with some history or backstory. For example, at the GA, you could tell from the charts that quarters was doing better than last year. But what you couldn't see was that we were doing better than it seemed because we had already paid for things that we hadn't paid for in the ytd's last year... that sort of thing.


If we really want to go back to the Sil article we can. I'm up for discusing their circticisms of the msu anytime!

Originally Posted by temara.brown

I was thinking a compromise more as in an unedited version with little comments that could pop out with some history or backstory. For example, at the GA, you could tell from the charts that quarters was doing better than last year. But what you couldn't see was that we were doing better than it seemed because we had already paid for things that we hadn't paid for in the ytd's last year... that sort of thing.

I take it the request for some evidence to back up your claims against The Silhoutte is denied. Maybe you will stop making the claims until such time as you provide some evidence to back up your accusations.

Originally Posted by fullsmash26

I take it the request for some evidence to back up your claims against The Silhoutte is denied. Maybe you will stop making the claims until such time as you provide some evidence to back up your accusations.

I'll definitely respond. I just don't want the thread to get so off-topic. If we want to, we can start a new thread about the sil's depection of the goings on of the 'insiders'. I've always been up for conversation about any of this.

Moreover, I really don't like the continuous portrayal of the insider/outsider atmosphere of the MSU. I know there are those who think that it is out there but I prefer to think of it as instead a diversity of perspective. No one would expect everyone to be as well-read as some SRA members on all the msu policy or what went on at every meeting. It's the same as how I don't pretend to know all what goes on at SHEC or EFRT, or even what it's like to be in humanities and what it would be like to be able to write a good essay... dang.


....Did no one catch the circticism joke? aww shucks it was a good one!

Okay, here goes with the article... and again, I really don't want to get off-topic but...
My problem with it is that it portrays the two individuals on the front of it look like they gave themselves a raise while they were knowingly letting the quarters establishment fall apart. It also makes them out to be downright bumbling fools.
What gets to me is that it was indeed none of the BoD that were involved in the wage evaluation. It says that in the paper that they both stayed out of the discussion but it is remarkably small and closer to the end of the article. Most of my friends after reading it, admitted to not even noticing the part where 'they stayed out of the all the discussion'. In fact, one of the candidates for president in the last debate had even said he interpretted it so that Azim and the rest of the BoD gave themselves the raise. This was not the case at all since it was the finance committee and members of the assembly -- students -- who researched and did this proposal. The sil article also asks people in the student centre questions what they thought and they were saying something along the lines of 'students should have been consulted.' That's what the SRA is for and that's what had happened! I'll admit that the SRA needs to work more on connecting what they're doing with the students and that's been something I've really wanted to work on this year. For this topic, the executive remuneration, I had posted an announcement up on macinsiders about this meeting way back in June after it had passed.

As for the bumbling fool portrayal.. as soon as it gets to the part where it says: 'and the confusion doesn't end there...' I had asked myself, "what confusion. I get the logic behind what they were saying!" That subjective statement sets up the article skimmer to think negatively about what they were saying. There then is a bit about the general accounting principles where Ian states that they're out of date. What wasn't mentioned was that he's working hard to update them.

I understand that there was a problem with information getting down to the sil but is that reason to write a heavily subjective article.

I mean no disrepect to the author, to the paper, or to anyone at all in saying this. This is what I felt after reading the article and since this is what you asked for, here it is.

Also, I really want to say again that I do not want this to go off-topic as this was a problem before. Let's keep the conversation respectful.

This is completely out of no where but I object to that Spirit guy calling my desire for more sandwiches and couches superficial. (like 20 posts back)

Dude, those things are important to me. If that makes me one of the unwashed ignorant masses then so be it!

I don't think I'm alone in wanting more places to sit on campus and cheaper food. These are pretty common concerns for those of us who don't make $30,000 a year and who don't have office spaces.

I agree with you! The sandwich thing in the UM needs to be replenished more often...

and for couches, I had asked Wagdi, who's the SRA member on the MUSC Board of Management to give a response to that and here's what he said:

...about the seeting in the student center, thats something ive been working one with lori dimond and in the year to come they are going to be make some changes to the lounges and adding another study carol area as well as several other plans ill give u more detail later, hope it helps - Wagdi

Temara, why don't you run for prez? You're one of the most active people I know...and the MSU could use some more brains -aka- women.


Again....OFF TOPIC!

lol if that women's centre thing happens, you and I will brain up the place, get us a chocolate fountain and ever-lasting bowl of fresh strawberries and just plot away the day!

..we're also getting lcd screens to watch Mr. Darcy... err pride and prejudice day in day out.

Best women's centre ever... and that is not off topic. it's so in topic.

..Mr. Darcy - the only topic.