Originally Posted by funkymonkey

No cost at all!
Oh.. good point. Thanks for reminding me to post that

Program: Honours Life Science

Oh how they stray... oh my.

guys, if you have nothing nice to say about the topic, I'd appreciate it if you keep your mouth shut.
some people are really passionate about homeopathy and naturopathy, and while we're all entitled to our own opinion, if you disagree with something you don't have to resort to bashing out on it at the expense of others. honestly, don't try to make people's beliefs seem any less correct or important just because you don't feel the same way.

Originally Posted by funkymonkey

guys, if you have nothing nice to say about the topic, I'd appreciate it if you keep your mouth shut.
some people are really passionate about homeopathy and naturopathy, and while we're all entitled to our own opinion, if you disagree with something you don't have to resort to bashing out on it at the expense of others. honestly, don't try to make people's beliefs seem any less correct or important just because you don't feel the same way.

Welcome to the internet.

Originally Posted by funkymonkey

guys, if you have nothing nice to say about the topic, I'd appreciate it if you keep your mouth shut.
some people are really passionate about homeopathy and naturopathy, and while we're all entitled to our own opinion, if you disagree with something you don't have to resort to bashing out on it at the expense of others. honestly, don't try to make people's beliefs seem any less correct or important just because you don't feel the same way.

Hai guys, I made a thread on a discussion board in the hopes of getting a one way discussion. amidoinitrite?

Seriously, what did you expect?

Originally Posted by funkymonkey

guys, if you have nothing nice to say about the topic, I'd appreciate it if you keep your mouth shut.
some people are really passionate about homeopathy and naturopathy, and while we're all entitled to our own opinion, if you disagree with something you don't have to resort to bashing out on it at the expense of others. honestly, don't try to make people's beliefs seem any less correct or important just because you don't feel the same way.

priscilla

you have interest in something that is and has been proven over and over again, over decades and by many people, to be complete and utter bullshit

I don't know, some respect maybe? The whole point of this post was to let people know about the opportunity of learning more if they were interested, so you can take your opinions elsewhere.
And I know people who have had life changing benefits from naturopathy and homeopathy, so there's proof that it actually works

Originally Posted by funkymonkey

guys, if you have nothing nice to say about the topic, I'd appreciate it if you keep your mouth shut.
some people are really passionate about homeopathy and naturopathy, and while we're all entitled to our own opinion, if you disagree with something you don't have to resort to bashing out on it at the expense of others. honestly, don't try to make people's beliefs seem any less correct or important just because you don't feel the same way.

Yeah, but when people dismiss life-saving treatments for homeopathic cures with no evidence behind them there's a huge problem.

For instance, a 13-year old boy Tyrell Dueck died of a leg tumour even though amputation and chemotherapy would have saved his life. Instead his parents made him go to Mexico for a herbal treatment and to no surprise he died.

http://www.sciencedirect.com /scien...d&searchtype=a

- only 12.8% (40 of 312) of the respondents [CCNM students] would advise full vaccination; however, 74.4% (232 of 312) of the respondents would advise partial vaccination

Herd immunity is so important for people who are immunocompromised or who have contraindications for vaccinations. In the states, there are thousands of children who have died of easily preventable illnesses. edit: in canada, if physicians (MDs) or chiropractors are anti-vaccination, they get their license pulled.

There needs to be more evaluation on the efficacy of naturopathy/homeopathic "cures" before they should be delivered/preached to the public.

so there's proof that it actually works

lol. You're a science student. Anecdotal stories does not equal proof. Try running some RCTs or cohort/case-control studies.

Originally Posted by funkymonkey

I don't know, some respect maybe? The whole point of this post was to let people know about the opportunity of learning more if they were interested, so you can take your opinions elsewhere.
And I know people who have had life changing benefits from naturopathy and homeopathy, so there's proof that it actually works

BAHAHAHAHA there's people who say they've talked to jesus and have had their lives changed , anecdotal evidence =/= evidence, anyways just how i have no respect for those people i have no respect for homeopaths, and yes i brought religion into this just cause it's so related

Originally Posted by REPLEKIA/.

Alternative medicine is defined as such because it has not been proven to work or been proven not to work. Do you know what alternative medicines that have been proven to work are called? Medicine.

I'm not sure I can support 'Snake Oil Salesman' in this day and age, and frankly I'm slightly disturbed that there is an actual college for this. To understand why I feel this way please inform yourself on the AIDS crisis in South Africa, where alternative medicines have cost the lives of over 350000 people.

However, I can see the usefulness of the physical 'medicine', clinical nutrition, and lifestyle counseling options. Massage therapy is quite useful for rehabilitation of muscles after an injury and nutrition is very important, especially considering the rampant obesity rates.

The main issue that caught my eyes was the issue about AIDS. It's totally ridiculous to accuse alternative medicine for killing lives when there is no cure for AIDS in the world. People died with AIDS in Canada and USA as well. The problem with AIDS is more of a human rights/humanitarian issue since drugs can be used to help with symptoms and allow people to live longer, but Western pharmaceutical companies are more concerned with their profits. There is a much lower mortality rate for people with AIDS in the developed world, mostly due to the fact that they can afford medications.

Personally, I see the usefulness in all the disciplines of Naturopathic Medicine but I am skeptical about homeopathy. I heard that most certified Naturopathic Doctors do not utilize homeopathy in their practices as well.

I think much research is needed to investigate many herbal uses and ways of practices, but there are minimal findings that disproved its usefulness. So before some of the practices are proved to be useless/harmful, it should not be discriminated against just because no funding was given for more research. Again, profiting means way too much in our society.

Originally Posted by coolmichy

The main issue that caught my eyes was the issue about AIDS. It's totally ridiculous to accuse alternative medicine for killing lives when there is no cure for AIDS in the world. People died with AIDS in Canada and USA as well. The problem with AIDS is more of a human rights/humanitarian issue since drugs can be used to help with symptoms and allow people to live longer, but Western pharmaceutical companies are more concerned with their profits. There is a much lower mortality rate for people with AIDS in the developed world, mostly due to the fact that they can afford medications.

Even though there's no cure for AIDS with HAART individuals with AIDS can drastically improve their lifespan by raising their CD4s and reducing viral loads. So when people choose homeopathic cures instead of standard treatments, there is a problem.

Originally Posted by funkymonkey

I don't know, some respect maybe? The whole point of this post was to let people know about the opportunity of learning more if they were interested, so you can take your opinions elsewhere.
And I know people who have had life changing benefits from naturopathy and homeopathy, so there's proof that it actually works

The fact that you are a science student and consider that proof shames our school.

Originally Posted by funkymonkey

I don't know, some respect maybe? The whole point of this post was to let people know about the opportunity of learning more if they were interested, so you can take your opinions elsewhere.
And I know people who have had life changing benefits from naturopathy and homeopathy, so there's proof that it actually works

It's true! Placebo's have changed my life too! I swear!

Originally Posted by coolmichy

The main issue that caught my eyes was the issue about AIDS. It's totally ridiculous to accuse alternative medicine for killing lives when there is no cure for AIDS in the world. People died with AIDS in Canada and USA as well. The problem with AIDS is more of a human rights/humanitarian issue since drugs can be used to help with symptoms and allow people to live longer, but Western pharmaceutical companies are more concerned with their profits. There is a much lower mortality rate for people with AIDS in the developed world, mostly due to the fact that they can afford medications.

if you actually research the AIDS crisis in south africa you will find that the country actually denied gifts of money to pay for the medicine, as well as gifts of the medicine itself, all because the country's leader believed in naturopathic medicines so strongly.

Originally Posted by coolmichy

I think much research is needed to investigate many herbal uses and ways of practices, but there are minimal findings that disproved its usefulness. So before some of the practices are proved to be useless/harmful, it should not be discriminated against just because no funding was given for more research. Again, profiting means way too much in our society.

Almost every herbal treatment that naturopathy and homeopathy boast to have actual effects do get tested on, please do not claim otherwise. Those that have been found to be beneficial are generally put into use as actual medicine. For example, extracts from the rosy periwinkle and the yew tree are both used to combat cancer. Aspirin is extracted from willow bark. There are numerous more examples if you wish to look it up. What is left over and used by modern naturopathic medicines are:
a) Far less effective versions of medicines that are derived from nature, ex. aspirin.
b) methods that have not been proven to work or have been proven not to work.

the harm of naturopathic medicine lies in people believing it is as effective as real medicine that is proven time and time again through clinical trials. People who could easily be cured of illnesses through conventional methods occasionally resort to alternative meds instead and don't survive.

Originally Posted by REPLEKIA/.

Aspirin is extracted from willow bark.

Liked your post except for this part. Everyone knows the world's supply of aspirin is made by students in first-year Chem labs.

On-topic: With a countless number of possible illnesses and even more potential remedies, we have to at least give credit to the naturopathic since it's likely they discovered the basis of most of what we use today. That being said, it does kind of seem like a waste to devote your education to it. Why not leave the discovery to the researchers, and if you (general "you", not specific) really want to help, strive to be one yourself? I'd imagine their methods to be significantly more efficient, and they also have the credibility to have their findings refined if they (are proven/have the potential) to be useful.

Also, obligatory inafteramaryllorsomeo neelseripsonthetopic.

Originally Posted by Entropy

Liked your post except for this part. Everyone knows the world's supply of aspirin is made by students in first-year Chem labs.

On-topic: With a countless number of possible illnesses and even more potential remedies, we have to at least give credit to the naturopathic since it's likely they discovered the basis of most of what we use today...[/quote]

Well actually, the individuals who discovered the treatments that are the basis of most-of-what-we-use-today were medical professionals, not people like modern day naturopaths.

There are some naturopathic remedies that are not all specifically bad/adverse, and its not exactly fair to group them with homeoquackpaths, but people who dabble in both are obviously credulous and ignorable.