Originally Posted by PHLN

Reproduction is not a logical sense to rape?

I will introduce to you then the sociobiological theories in rape. Human, as much as you want to debate, is defined and classified as animal on this planet.

Those that lack fitness qualities that would guarantee them a mate will need to find other means of reproduction. Coercive sex, also known as rape, is one of them.

This act in itself can definitely taint the species genetic pool by allowing those with inferior genes to reproduce. As such it is theorize that humans are taking an aggressive stance against this normal sexual act to protect the quality of DNA.

Agree? Disagree? Who is wearing the T-shirt on April 3rd?

Are you trolling?
Seriously, I'm confused.
Do you really think men rape women solely for the sake of reproducing? Is this a joke..?

Originally Posted by Kathy2

Are you trolling?
Seriously, I'm confused.
Do you really think men rape women solely for the sake of reproducing? Is this a joke..?

No he's saying men mate with women for a multitude of reasons that the concious psyche may or may not be aware of. A socio path, for example, will rape women for hours and just not care. Whether it be for power (i.e. the primal state of marking territory) or procreation, the male mindset has been and always will be geared towards procreation and the widening of territory and breeding pool.

It's just that some men have a better grip over their primal natures than others.

Originally Posted by Toast

People can take measures to reduce the risk of getting sexually assaulted.
People can take measures to reduce the risk of getting skin cancer.
How are they not comparable?

While I think that appropriately punishing predators is a great idea, its use as a deterrent would likely be ineffective. Do you think that perpetrators are going to cease mid-stalk and think, "you know what? I'm gonna get more jail time now, maybe I shouldn't..." It's a compulsion; and addicts will continue to use whether or not jail terms are increased.

"Rape is one of the only crimes where people think that it is the victim's responsibility to prevent the crime."

Until the assault takes place, it is your responsibility to reduce your risk of getting raped. Remember, 70-90% of rape incidents are perpetrated by people you know- how are police supposed to know who is going to rape who before the rape actually occurs. If you want me to stop using the word responsibility (a moral responsibility to yourself), I can do that.

It is a woman's decision to participate in these sorts of activities, and to reduce the risk of being raped. You are free to choose not to take such precautions- but at the end of the day, regardless of fault, blame, responsibility, and all manners of ownership, you've been raped.

Having one feature in common does not make them comparable.

I agree that punishments may be ineffective as deterrants. I still think punishments need to be appropriate, as rapists being in jail means less opportunity for them to commit rape. I think that a cultural change in general, including education for men about rape culture, is the best chance we have.

I think we are not necessarily using the word responsibility in the same sense.
While acquaintance rapes mean that the majority of rapes are difficult for the police to prevent, this also means that they are difficult for women to "prevent." A person can't be expected to anticipate when a friend, family member, or significant other is going to assault them. How could this be their responsibility? You can't always identify a rapist. They tend to look like everyone else.

Originally Posted by amyf

I still think punishments need to be appropriate, as rapists being in jail means less opportunity for them to commit rape.

Should I introduce The Dropped-Soap Theory in Prison and Other Confined Spaces? Or is that off-topic?

Originally Posted by PHLN

Should I introduce the dropped-soap theory in prison and other confined spaces? Or is that off-topic?

No, because I'm willing to bet real money that with her blinkered feminist view, she doesn't believe men can be raped.

I'm glad sexual assault is amusing people. Seriously, the insensitivity of some people is mind-blowing.

Originally Posted by alh24

I'm glad sexual assault is amusing people. Seriously, the insensitivity of some people is mind-blowing.

Who said anyone is amused?

Originally Posted by PHLN

Who said anyone is amused?

You're right, I'm sure the "Dropped Soap Theory" was a serious comment not intended to get a laugh.

Originally Posted by alh24

I'm glad sexual assault is amusing people.

It's not about amusing people adelle. It's about amy trivialising human nature.

Originally Posted by PHLN

Who said anyone is amused?

They just don't like that you're providing counter-points instead of blindly agreeing.

Originally Posted by alh24

You're right, I'm sure the "Dropped Soap Theory" was a serious comment not intended to get a laugh.

Just because a bit of humor was added to the truth does not make it less serious. Did you see the reply I quoted?

Seriously?

Locked rapist in prison so they have less chance to rape?

Originally Posted by Toast

My point was that women who willingly partake in these activities increase the risk of being raped, just as tanning increases our chances of getting cancer. You read too much into issues of inevitability, which has nothing to do what I was trying to get across.

I love how people always structure their arguments with blanket morality statements like, "Women should be able to drink and go to parties just like men do, without being at risk of someone raping". Obviously I'm not going to disagree with you. The reality, however, is that rape does occur, whether you think it should or not, and there are measures you can take to reduce your chances of sexual assault.

If you insist on outlandish behavior and do not want to be raped, you need to take precautions. I'm not talking about staying home- go party if you want, but think twice about getting so drunk you have no idea where you are or who you're with, or about sleeping with a new person each night, or about prostituting yourself. I am not characterizing all women, I simply responded to your phrasing of "without exception" by pointing out that some women have a responsibility to take these precautions. Should they have this responsibility? Of course not. But that is the world we live in.



This just makes you sound silly.

Yes, women should certainly take care of themselves and take precautions to be safe when they are outside. However, even when a woman is so drunk that she has no idea who she is with, is sleeping with a new person each night, or is going about prostituting herself, she is not asking to be raped. Under NO circumstances would her rape be justified. I think this is what is meant by the statement that the victim of a rape is never at fault. It may not be wise of you to walk alone at night in an at-risk neighbourhood, but it is certainly never your fault if you are attacked. You seem to be implying that it is okay for men to be unable to control their sexual urges and that their actions are justified if the woman forgot to take precautions. I hate that thinking so much, and I think it is essential to start teaching men that under NO circumstances, unless she gives her clear consent, is a woman asking to be assaulted. Even if she is drunk out of her mind and parading the streets naked, you DO NOT assault her.


Entropy and the like seem to be promoting the very dangerous idea that rape is solely a crime of passion, and only provocatively dressed, “hot” women are raped. Rape is often a crime of hatred. In that case, it is meant to humiliate and hurt a vulnerable individual, while making the assailant feel powerful and in control. Babies, children, men, and the elderly are frequently raped and sexually assaulted. Rape is rampant in Middle Eastern countries where women are far from provocatively dressed, as they are covered from head to toe.


All I am trying to say is that everyone should certainly take precautions to keep themselves safe. We do not live in a perfect world. However, I think it is high time we started changing our thinking, since there is a scarily large amount of people (as witnessed on this forum) that believe that rape is justified in some cases.

Originally Posted by amyf

I didn't. That quote is from this webpage: http://finallyfeminism101.wo rdpres...e-culture-101/. I posted it because it shows that there is an irrational amount of focus on false rape accusations as a way to undermine attempts to show how common rape is. There are more false accusations of auto theft, but no one would ever worry about that.
I think the most important part is that only 1.6% of accusations are false.

There have been numerous studies attempting to investigate how many rapes are unreported. They don't rely on police statistics, obviously, as if the rapes are unreported then the police don't know. There are other ways to collect information. So no, not impossible.

lol I don't think you understand how stats work

I can't believe the comments! Those who are disclaiming their posts by saying that they are "not for victim blaming BUT" need to re-read their posts because that's exactly what you are doing.