Steven and Danny,

You are unfair to Ian. Yes, he's your VP Finance and that means he has to keep a certain personae but he's still a person with feelings. Yes, he lost his temper a bit but considering the amount of rude and disrespectful statements that McColl has made against him, from the safety of his computer of course, I can understand why he finally let him have it a bit.

Put yourselves in his shoes. Really. Don't just say "oh I'd never do that" cause you don't know that you wouldn't. Everyone has their good days and their bad ones. Hell, Obama made a poorly thought statement about his bowling skills and the Special Olympics and he's the bloody president of the USA. Everyone has their days. Just don't be so quick to judge.

Making an off collar comment in a discussion / interview / etc can and does happen, posting on a forum takes a longer thought process which allows time to evaluate what one is about to post.

Anyway, this is a Quarters thread and it was posted a week ago. Any updates on how the process is ummm proceeding?

I dunno, personally, I'd find it a little sketchy when an official of any governing body would refuse to be recorded by audio during an official meeting, while citing a very vague reason not to be recorded. (in this case Mr. Finlay, with the Silhouette recording)

Then (please correct me if I'm wrong) removing the item regarding the Silhouette from the agenda.

I dunno, I'm just drawing a connection between those two occurences...and it doesn't uh...seem very...kosher ...to me.

And I don't think Steven or Danny are being unfair at all.

It looks as though the name might be staying the same (since that is the general consensus). Request for work permits have also been sent out as to start drafting up plans for the renovations. A few companies have come on board and allocated funds for auxiliary renovations. The physical rebranding is in the planning stages, and the macro problems (staff, food, atmosphere) will be dealt with over the summer and corrected for the upcoming school year.

To Alex McColl, I was elected to the SRA in the Engineering By-Election which was held in January. I recently regained my seat on the engineering caucus, and have been avidly working towards completing this quarters project. One roadblock has been finding adequate meeting times, as well as the legal red tape that has to be dealt with before any final decisions can be made. Personally, I think I have contributed quite a bit to the SRA since I have only held the position for 2 months, and in that time had to run for re-election.

Perhaps you were misinformed, or perhaps you are just arrogant, but next time you should get the facts in order. Remember, everytime you point 1 finger, there are 3 pointing right back.

Originally Posted by samtheman89

I dunno, personally, I'd find it a little sketchy when an official of any governing body would refuse to be recorded by audio during an official meeting, while citing a very vague reason not to be recorded. (in this case Mr. Finlay, with the Silhouette recording)

Then (please correct me if I'm wrong) removing the item regarding the Silhouette from the agenda.

I dunno, I'm just drawing a connection between those two occurences...and it doesn't uh...seem very...kosher ...to me.

And I don't think Steven or Danny are being unfair at all.

I agree with this.

edit:

On a side note, why are all the names proposed for Quarters so damn awful? :| Then again, it's quarters.

Thanks for the updates Matt!

Originally Posted by jesus

On a side note, why are all the names proposed for Quarters so damn awful? :| Then again, it's quarters.

Could you elaborate on the "it's quarters" thing? Like we all understand people are pissed, but if they are for reasons aside from what I stated earlier, it would be very important to hear so that confusion could be cleared up, or steps could be taken to address the issues.

Originally Posted by Alex McColl

All MSU Members are Adults and should be treated as such.

Actually, no...most approximately 1/4 of the incoming first year class will be underage when they start school in September. Also, some students are skipped at some point, and may not reach eighteen for one or two years. Queens had somewhere between four and six students in 2003 who were sixteen or younger at the start of their first year...

Originally Posted by Alex McColl

If Matt’s a leading force for garnering student opinion, then the MSU is patronizing students. Matt brushed off a legitimate, albeit harshly worded, critique and responded with a rather pretentious attitude. In the real world, when politicians fail epically, they get criticised harshly.

I'm still waiting for responses from you from several of my own harsh criticisms of your points. You seem to be conveniently ignoring all of them. You seem to be the pot calling the kettle black.

Originally Posted by Alex McColl

I’m a part time ski pro

You're a competitive skiing professional? At what level?

Originally Posted by Alex McColl

Matt (and all SRA members) should get down off their high horses and admit they screwed up. Then, and only then, can they start to try and garner honest feedback and try to make things better.

The SRA is a political body. They don't manage Quarters so stop constructing it as such.

Originally Posted by Alex McColl

As Andrew points out, there would be nothing stopping a group of Commerce students from surveying in the Student Centre. You don’t need a table to walk around handing out surveys. However, this is irrelevant since the planning and implementation will be done over the summer when there aren’t many students around. Like so many large budgetary items the MSU passes, they’ll do it over the summer while no students are around who might be belligerent.

1) If it's irrelevant why are you mentioning it?
2) Actually that would likely be seen as a form of solicitation which is in violation of the rules of MUSC.
3) The fiscal year of the MSU starts in May. Planning can't really commence until the new year begins, as there are several financial aspects for EACH SERVICE/DEPARTMENT that need to be considered.
4) Commerce students aren't the only ones who use surveys for collecting data...

Danielle,

Just because a minority of 1st years might be 17, doesn’t make it ok for any of the elected leaders of the MSU to patronize them. In fact, Student Affairs considers 17 year old students to be functionally adults (17 year old students sign their own waivers during welcome week, if Student Affairs didn’t treat them like adults, they’d have to get their Mommies to follow them around during welcome week in order to sign the myriad of waivers.) I can’t imagine that anyone here would actually be in favour of denying 17 year old MSU members from participating in MSU referendums and/or elections. No Taxation (MSU Fees) without Representation! (I wonder how much tea the MSU has at Quarters)

Seeing as how I’m in no way a member of government, and thus you are in no way a constituent of mine, I don’t see how I have to respond to all of your critiques. If you’d like to reply with the thread names where you’d appreciate more of my input, I’d be more than happy to reinvigorate those debates (within a reasonable timeframe, contrary to what many of you may think; I have a full time job, and a life… my free time for debating is limited).

I am a Canadian Ski Instructors’ Alliance Level 2 Ski Instructor and a Canadian Ski Coaches Federation Level 1 Race Coach. I’ve been working part time as a Ski Instructor for Raven/Snow Hawks for 6 years.

The MSU manages all MSU services including Quarters. Plans for fixing quarters are presented and debated by the SRA.

The SRA discussed Quarters at a number of meetings this year:
Business item 1 – Quarters’ Re-Naming http://www.msumcmaster.ca/content/do...,%202009 .pdf
Delegations from the floor – Quarters Report from Ian Finlay
http://www.msumcmaster.ca/content/do...,%202009. pdf
Not to mention all the times when Quarters was the centre of a discussion from an SRA Committee or the centre of budgetary concerns.

Saying the SRA is a political body and that they don’t manage Quarters is like saying the United States Senate is a political body that doesn’t manage the military.

The US Senate has the following Committees/Subcommittees that manage the US Military:
Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Defence
Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Military Construction, Veterans Affairs, and Related Agencies
Senate Committee on Armed Services (which has 6 Subcommittees)
Senate Committee on Veterans’ Affairs
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence

Not to mention the fact that everything approved of at the Committee level has to pass through the full Senate in much the same way that anything the MSU Execs want to do about Quarters has to pass through the full SRA.

As for your statements regarding the start of the MSU’s fiscal year, most governments set their budgets well in advance of the onset of their fiscal year. I see no reason why the Commerce students couldn’t have been made involved immediately at the outset of 2nd term. As for the unique financial aspects, is haemorrhaging half a million a year not enough to motivate some decisive action?

Here are two to start:
Post #69: http://www.macinsiders.com/showthread.php?t=2060 9
Post #94: http://www.macinsiders.com/showthread.php?t=2064 3

There are other questions you have left unanswered posed by other users also. Phoenix comes to mind as one.

You know just as well as anyone in a leadership position that the school patronizes first years. Hence all the asinine rules during Welcome Week, and the ridiculous training.

Lastly...the SRA is in no way involved in the day-to-day operations of Quarters. Although they may approve some larger changes (name, physical structure etc), most changes are done by Ish and Leroy.

I think you guys are getting confused over the definition of manage. You are taking it in its most basic sense of if you have control over an aspect of it you manage it. Where Danielle is using manage as in managing the day to day operations.
Your argument about the Defence committees is flawed. They don't actually control the function of the military. They influence the military because they are in charge of other aspects of its operation mostly through funding. But the actual management of the US military is done through the secretary of defence by direction of the president.

Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Defence - oversees the funding to all branches of the military
Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Military Construction, Veterans Affairs, and Related Agencies - mostly in charge of base maintenance and housing for soldiers
Senate Committee on Armed Services - has legislative oversight of the armed forces. Perhaps the closest to what you were getting at
Senate Committee on Veterans’ Affairs - deals with all veterans issues
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence - overseeing organizations such as the CIA and NSA

The purpose of this thread is to gather ideas about the name change for quarters. If anyone wants to have personal squabbles about personal achievements or the functionality of the US government, it would be best left for private messages or another thread. Although it is enjoyable to watch people bicker, I get enough of that at the SRA meetings

If anyone would like to change this thread to something aimed at pointing out more flaws with quarters; great. If anyone would like to talk about their ski life; create another post.

Originally Posted by Alex McColl

I see no reason why the Commerce students couldn’t have been made involved immediately at the outset of 2nd term. As for the unique financial aspects, is haemorrhaging half a million a year not enough to motivate some decisive action?

As a commerce student I am getting quite sick of your constant arrogance through your proclamations that only commerce students are capable of certain positions or would be the best at certain things. If there is anything you should have drawn from your H BCom '08 is that there is no 'right' to approach nor one 'right' answer to complex real-life issues. Although some people who have studied functional areas of business (or specialized their education at that function) may do an outsanding job and be able to cultivate results; that will never make them better for doing that job then every other person who just mayhappen to be taking another program. The amount of tunnel vision you have shown on this website is absoulty absurd, and clearly you missed out on picking up that lesson during all your 'real world' and educational experience.

No longer can I sit by and watch you wash away the reputation of our business school with your arrogance and ego.