Originally Posted by mgs1234

As a [1st year] commerce student I am getting quite sick of your constant arrogance through your proclamations that only commerce students are capable of certain positions or would be the best at certain things. If there is anything you should have drawn from your H BCom '08 is that there is no 'right' to approach nor one 'right' answer to complex real-life issues. Although some people who have studied functional areas of business (or specialized their education at that function) may do an outsanding job and be able to cultivate results; that will never make them better for doing that job then every other person who just mayhappen to be taking another program. The amount of tunnel vision you have shown on this website is absoulty absurd, and clearly you missed out on picking up that lesson during all your 'real world' and educational experience.

No longer can I sit by and watch you wash away the reputation of our business school with your arrogance and ego.

I added “[1st year] for emphasis. Seeing as how, since you’re in 1st year, you have yet to complete a single commerce course; I’ll ask that you reconsider your position in a bit over 2 years time after finishing 3rd year (at the end of 3rd year you should have 17 commerce courses under your belt). I am willing to bet that you’ll think differently by then.

Then again maybe you’re right. Maybe professional training and certification has no bearing on anyone’s skills to perform that specific task.

Thank you no-name 1st year for opening my eyes. I’d like to apologize if I ever offended anyone for thinking any of the following:

That a business grad would have more relevant business skills.
That a civil engineer would be better qualified to build a bridge.
That a certified plumber would do a better job fitting pipes than myself.
That a person who never skied before (but has a Humanities Degree) wont ski as well as I (a CSIA Level 2 Ski Instructor).
That only Doctors from reputable Western Med Schools are fit to practice medicine in Canada.

I’m sure there are other professions whom I’ve previously sung praises of and consulted for their professional advice. How wrong was I. I’m sorry Humanities and Soc Sci students, I will no longer worship these Artless professionals.

From now on I’ll treat everyone as equally skilled at everything. No-name 1st year, can I book you for a teeth cleaning next week… since you’re just as skilled as my dental hygienist?

If you really wanted to defend your opinions, there were much better ways of going about it, rather than as condescending. You're just proving everyone's opinions of you. Congratulations.

Oh nuts.

I've considered economists to be professionals and have gone to them to talk about Monetarist vs Keynesian schools of thought.

I've also talked to an English major about Shakespeare... dam, I guess to be fair, I shouldn't consider them to be experts about English either.

Again, sorry.

In the future I will not consider anyone who studies something to be better versed in that subject than a random person off the street. That being said, I'll be picking a new financial advisor out of a hat next week. Contact me if you'd like to be considered.

You're missing the part where I'm not attacking your opinions. I'm saying the way you're phrasing them is condescending and rude, which is counter-productive to most discussions.

Alex, please watch how you term your thoughts and opinions on MacInsiders. Many users can view your recent posts as derogatory. I suggest you re-read the MacInsiders Terms of Service.

In that case, you should add “Satire” & “Sarcasm” to the list of banned speech in Section 5.5. It already outlaws confrontation, embarrassment, objectionable phrases, and the spoken act of slander (I didn’t know that was possible on a message board).

However, Section 12 clearly states:
“This Agreement is governed by the laws of the province of Ontario and Canada. If any portion of this Agreement is invalid or unenforceable, it will be considered removed and the remainder of this Agreement will remain in effect.”

To which I’d like to add that Section 2.b. of The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms clearly states:
“Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms: b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;”

Seeing as how the Charter applies to Public Universities like McMaster, and by extension the clubs of the MSU, it would appear as if Section 5.5 violates my constitutional rights to say things that are confrontational, to embarrass MSU VPs (by quoting them), and to make objectionable satirical apologies.

PS: The SRA gave me a much warmer reception this past Sunday.

PPS: I would have addressed “no-name 1st year” by name, had he posted his name. However, the MacInsiders Terms of Service actually encourage students not to attach their real names to their posts. Ian accused me of hiding behind a computer screen. However, as I pointed out at the SRA meeting, this couldn’t be further from the truth. Everything I’ve said has come with my name and photograph next to it for all to see. While I have been insulted by people who hide behind pseudonyms, I respond frankly. This has left me open for everything up to and including an implied threat of a libel suit. When I spoke to the SRA I asked if one must show up in person so that the offended party could resort to violence. After I had made my statements, Ian offered no questions or debate, and so I left.

Here's a thought, let's get back on the topic of changing quarters. And Alex, if you had a problem with me, maybe you should've said something on Sunday. I would have loved to entertain your sarcasm in person. This group is for changing quarters, not for boasting any personal gains or achievements. For an update, I met with both Ismael and Leroy two days ago, and got much accomplished.

Thank you all again for your contributions to this thread, but let's try and play nice, we all go here... well, most of us anyways

Originally Posted by Alex McColl

In that case, you should add “Satire” & “Sarcasm” to the list of banned speech in Section 5.5. It already outlaws confrontation, embarrassment, objectionable phrases, and the spoken act of slander (I didn’t know that was possible on a message board).

However, Section 12 clearly states:
“This Agreement is governed by the laws of the province of Ontario and Canada. If any portion of this Agreement is invalid or unenforceable, it will be considered removed and the remainder of this Agreement will remain in effect.”

To which I’d like to add that Section 2.b. of The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms clearly states:
“Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms: b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;”

Seeing as how the Charter applies to Public Universities like McMaster, and by extension the clubs of the MSU, it would appear as if Section 5.5 violates my constitutional rights to say things that are confrontational, to embarrass MSU VPs (by quoting them), and to make objectionable satirical apologies.

PS: The SRA gave me a much warmer reception this past Sunday.

PPS: I would have addressed “no-name 1st year” by name, had he posted his name. However, the MacInsiders Terms of Service actually encourage students not to attach their real names to their posts. Ian accused me of hiding behind a computer screen. However, as I pointed out at the SRA meeting, this couldn’t be further from the truth. Everything I’ve said has come with my name and photograph next to it for all to see. While I have been insulted by people who hide behind pseudonyms, I respond frankly. This has left me open for everything up to and including an implied threat of a libel suit. When I spoke to the SRA I asked if one must show up in person so that the offended party could resort to violence. After I had made my statements, Ian offered no questions or debate, and so I left.

I thought you were a commerce grad? Not a Constitutional Lawyer? I guess we shouldnt take your interpretation of the charter seriously then.

Also, I think you gave Ian nothing to ask you. He invited you to the SRA meeting to ask him questions and raise concerns like you do here, instead you talked about how great you are for giving money to the University. You had ample opportunity to ask questions during question period and did not. I was there and saw you cower since you knew he had the answers to your questions, and would make you look uninformed and bitter about losing to him. Maybe next time someone invites you to go pick their brain and ask them questions you should do that instead of talk about yourself!

Originally Posted by Matt Wright

Here's a thought, let's get back on the topic of changing quarters. And Alex, if you had a problem with me, maybe you should've said something on Sunday. I would have loved to entertain your sarcasm in person. This group is for changing quarters, not for boasting any personal gains or achievements. For an update, I met with both Ismael and Leroy two days ago, and got much accomplished.

Thank you all again for your contributions to this thread, but let's try and play nice, we all go here... well, most of us anyways

On that note! We should keep it called Quarters! I like saying to people "hey lets go grab lunch at Quarters!" I dont really want to change that!

Originally Posted by Alex McColl

In that case, you should add “Satire” & “Sarcasm” to the list of banned speech in Section 5.5. It already outlaws confrontation, embarrassment, objectionable phrases, and the spoken act of slander (I didn’t know that was possible on a message board).

However, Section 12 clearly states:
“This Agreement is governed by the laws of the province of Ontario and Canada. If any portion of this Agreement is invalid or unenforceable, it will be considered removed and the remainder of this Agreement will remain in effect.”

To which I’d like to add that Section 2.b. of The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms clearly states:
“Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms: b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;”

Seeing as how the Charter applies to Public Universities like McMaster, and by extension the clubs of the MSU, it would appear as if Section 5.5 violates my constitutional rights to say things that are confrontational, to embarrass MSU VPs (by quoting them), and to make objectionable satirical apologies.

Alex,
If you have a problem with our Terms of Service I suggest you stop using MacInsiders. Otherwise, adhere to the rules, almost everyone else is capable of it.

Yeah, I would also prefer the name to stay Quarters. I don't think I would get used to the idea of a new name. I would probably slip up and call it Quarters anyway if there's a name change.

Remain on topic of what Quarters should be called, or ways the establishment can be improved, with constructive discussion or your posts will be removed.

Alex, you're more than welcome to have your own thoughts, beliefs, opinions and expressions. No one is stopping you from thinking what you want to think. However, note that this medium has rules, and those rules are for the betterment of this community and the discussion within it. I feel the rules are fair and straight forward. If you have questions or issues with the rules then I'd be more than happy to entertain your questions via private message, but it is off-topic for this thread.

Seeing as how the Charter applies to Public Universities like McMaster, and by extension the clubs of the MSU, it would appear as if Section 5.5 violates my constitutional rights to say things that are confrontational, to embarrass MSU VPs (by quoting them), and to make objectionable satirical apologies.

MacInsiders is a third-party forum not run by McMaster or the MSU. Our forum code of conduct and rules are clearly outlined and you agreed to them when signing up and continue agreeing to them when engaging in using our forums. If you don't agree with them, then do not engage in forum discussion.

Originally Posted by Alex McColl

I added “[1st year] for emphasis. Seeing as how, since you’re in 1st year, you have yet to complete a single commerce course; I’ll ask that you reconsider your position in a bit over 2 years time after finishing 3rd year (at the end of 3rd year you should have 17 commerce courses under your belt). I am willing to bet that you’ll think differently by then.

Then again maybe you’re right. Maybe professional training and certification has no bearing on anyone’s skills to perform that specific task.

Thank you no-name 1st year for opening my eyes. I’d like to apologize if I ever offended anyone for thinking any of the following:

That a business grad would have more relevant business skills.
That a civil engineer would be better qualified to build a bridge.
That a certified plumber would do a better job fitting pipes than myself.
That a person who never skied before (but has a Humanities Degree) wont ski as well as I (a CSIA Level 2 Ski Instructor).
That only Doctors from reputable Western Med Schools are fit to practice medicine in Canada.

I’m sure there are other professions whom I’ve previously sung praises of and consulted for their professional advice. How wrong was I. I’m sorry Humanities and Soc Sci students, I will no longer worship these Artless professionals.

From now on I’ll treat everyone as equally skilled at everything. No-name 1st year, can I book you for a teeth cleaning next week… since you’re just as skilled as my dental hygienist?

The best part of this is that the person this post refers to isn't in first year.

Originally Posted by Gilmour

I thought you were a commerce grad? Not a Constitutional Lawyer? I guess we shouldnt take your interpretation of the charter seriously then.

Also, I think you gave Ian nothing to ask you. He invited you to the SRA meeting to ask him questions and raise concerns like you do here, instead you talked about how great you are for giving money to the University. You had ample opportunity to ask questions during question period and did not. I was there and saw you cower since you knew he had the answers to your questions, and would make you look uninformed and bitter about losing to him. Maybe next time someone invites you to go pick their brain and ask them questions you should do that instead of talk about yourself!

A valid point indeed, even i was rather perplexed by your long references to the alumni association and the money you donated. I really was hoping you would directly question Mr Finlay when he gave his financial/Quarters report and said he is looking into hiring some very elite makeover firms, your commerce student point that you had been arguing for weeks could have been valid. Similarly there was an actual question period where anyone was welcome to grill any SRA member and his/her report. I would assume that All SRA members are completely rational individuals and presumably not all of them are aware of the Macinsiders debate and our animosity towards you. Hence IF you had confronted Mr Finlay it would have been a fair "debate" in the eyes of the SRA, only a handful of them are regular macinsider readers and hence might be biased towards you.
In light of that I woudn't agree that the SRA gave you a good reception from my observation; there was nothing in your speech that needed a "reception"! There was no debateable/moot point

Ok, so, direct problem with Quarters (come on, let's just keep calling it that, it would be like the skydome - whatever it's called now) - I went yesterday. Got some nachos. I swear the cheese was cheezwhiz. Gross, dude.

So.... perhaps improve... most of the menu?