Originally Posted by mike_302

They actually wouldn't be traveling very far to go vote, assuming they lived in Guelph in the summer. The Special Ballot is an attempt to make voting convenient for those who have exams during the Advanced Polls (I feel for those students...) and for those who will likely be moving back home during the first few days of May because their lease is up, or else going on vacation afterwards...

Your Conservative views are very much: "If I can do it, he/she can too, no if's and's or but's about it. Screw you if you can't do what I can: You don't even deserve an opportunity to be considered part of Canada (including voting, education, and public services) because you would make the rest of us look bad".

There! {claps hand in accomplishment} I think I've summarized the difference pretty darn well.

My only problem, and I will say it again, with the polls being inside the university is the fact that there is a high probability that there was political affiliation within view of the booths. Just a question, and I'm not attacking you, is whether you voted municipally, provincially or federally before this. In the municipal election, a few months ago, there was tight security, and I had to go through two security check points and show my id and the only posters inside were just unpolitical where to vote signs. Apparently, this was opposite of what went on in Guelph.

Originally Posted by mike_302

As someone said before: You two have very one-tracked minds... "In Hamilton". Not everyone is in Hamilton.

Not everyone is done exams when the Advanced polls come out.

Once again, you're consistent with the "If I can do it, he/she can too, no if's and's or but's about it." attitude.

Reality check: Some people will go home after May 1st, and frankly: I won't want to do a thing for the next week. If I wasn't going to be staying in Hamilton anyways, I'd have to get a vehicle to drive into town (not everyone has the extra vehicle lying around). The special ballot was a way to get those voters out, in a controlled, sanctioned manner. Granted, the Guelph University Special Ballot was not PRE-AUTHORIZED, but it was run in accordance with the law otherwise, hence the ballots are being counted.

If I get anymore arguments from you that sound like: "If I can do it, everyone else can too!", I'm just going to respond with that statement.

I just think your attitude is negative towards the whole thing, I mean if parents with children and a full time job can find time to vote I don't see why you can't. Your responce is that once you get home you don't want to do a thing for a week....again that shows some students want things in front of their face or they will have nothing to do with it. Realize that when you have a job, kids and a house to clean you will have to make time to go vote, so why not start now.

Voted before, yes. I know of the security around typical stations. You don't completely eliminate the bias on a University campus, but what the one crazy Conservative representative says (who also tried to grab the ballot box... so he's already lost credibility as a responsible and level-headed individual) about the immediate surroundings of a ballot box, versus the actual scenario (and this is where "reading between the lines" comes in, like someone else mentioned before) is likely to be highly varied. If Election Canada says their investigation revealed a properly carried out polling station, then it was properly carried out. Again, it's run by a non-partisan returning officer, polling officials, and investigated by a Canadian department that has standards.

Originally Posted by jo87

I just think your attitude is negative towards the whole thing, I mean if parents with children and a full time job can find time to vote I don't see why you can't. Your responce is that once you get home you don't want to do a thing for a week....again that shows some students want things in front of their face or they will have nothing to do with it. Realize that when you have a job, kids and a house to clean you will have to make time to go vote, so why not start now.

You're ignoring the fact that many are not like you, in that they may not have the ability to walk in, to drive in, or to get to a polling station when they return home. You're treating everyone like yourself, or myself, in that they either have a vehicle available, a polling station nearby, or they live in Hamilton all summer. Therefore, as promised:

"If I can do it, he/she can too, no if's and's or but's about it."

Originally Posted by mike_302

You're ignoring the fact that many are not like you, in that they may not have the ability to walk in, to drive in, or to get to a polling station when they return home. You're treating everyone like yourself, or myself, in that they either have a vehicle available, a polling station nearby, or they live in Hamilton all summer. Therefore, as promised:

"If I can do it, he/she can too, no if's and's or but's about it."

Well I don't have a polling station nearby(not within walking distance) or a car...and btw you can vote at Delewood School. or Dalewood Community Centre for the advance voting days.

No need to worry about me. I'll personally be cramming for exams and working my ass off on those days, so I'm not advance-voting. I don't believe for a second that you are as inconvenienced as many of us would be if we were to go home. You can't expect anyone here to believe that you'll go walking miles in the countryside just to go vote one day, or that if you had booked a vacation after your exams, that you would cancel that vacation just to vote. Once more, as promised (because you seem to be assuming that most will be living in Hamilton and can simply walk to the local school holding a polling station):

"If I can do it, he/she can too, no if's and's or but's about it.".

No, what I, and many others here probably believe is that given a Special ballot being held at Mac, you'd be right there with everyone else looking to get their bit of democracy for the day, before heading back to study, to pack for your vacation, or any number of other things that keep students busy from when their alarm clock goes off in the morning until you hit the pillow at night.

If your permanent address is not in Hamilton like a large percentage of the campus , then you have to go back home and vote in your riding. So if you are not going home Easter weekend ( the time for the advanced poll) and if you do not have transportation you cannot vote. If i had an exam on the monday I would not go home for the weekend. As it is my last one is thursday so i can go back home and vote But not everyone has this convenience. Most far right conservatives tend to not understand the simple concept that not everyone lives the same life as you do.

side note: yes we had a surplus up until 2008. Harper government messed up a beautiful track record of having about a little over a decade of surpluses.

Couple of clarification to that: You can vote wherever you are paying for services in a house: You just need to bring in a bill like Cogeco or Horizons with your name on it, identification to prove that it's your name, and you can vote here. Albeit, that would only work for those who are paying services here. And it is a bit of a hassle.

I should also note that the "track record of surplusses" is hardly relevant, although I personally don't believe he's going to ever come up with a budget with a surplus...

Originally Posted by thedog123123

side note: yes we had a surplus up until 2008. Harper government messed up a beautiful track record of having about a little over a decade of surpluses.

Troll

Originally Posted by jo87

Troll

Posts that evidently contradict yours are examples of 'trolling'? I didn't know that was the criterion.

I should also note that the "track record of surplusses" is hardly relevant, although I personally don't believe he's going to ever come up with a budget with a surplus...

Well, its relevance varies based on who you're applying the 'track record' to. It's not particularly relevant if you use that as an argument for Liberal financial sensibility, but I think it can factor into an argument against the Harper government's fiscal prudence.

Originally Posted by Mahratta

Posting records that evidently prove your assertions false is 'trolling'?

expalin Ontario's predicament. We have a liberal government, and for the first time, we have become a have not province. This was done and at the same time, we are taxed with smart meters, HST, and with e health going on, OLG, etc. sounds a lot worse to me.

Originally Posted by Misspolitics

expalin Ontario's predicament. We have a liberal government, and for the first time, we have become a have not province. This was done and at the same time, we are taxed with smart meters, HST, and with e health going on, OLG, etc. sounds a lot worse to me.

There's two claims of dubious nature in there ('have not province', which is a poor metric, and a deterministic idea that the Liberal governance is what caused our performance on this particular flawed metric).

In any case, despite the flaws in your argument, I never said that the Liberals were fiscally prudent, I merely said that your previous reasoning (namely, calling forumers who post material generally accepted as true 'trolls') was fallacious.

Originally Posted by Mahratta

Posts that evidently contradict yours are examples of 'trolling'? I didn't know that was the criterion.

We lost the surplus because of RECESSION not Harper. Any idiot can understand that

Originally Posted by Mahratta

There's two claims of dubious nature in there ('have not province', which is a poor metric, and a deterministic idea that the Liberal governance is what caused our performance on this particular flawed metric).

In any case, despite the flaws in your argument, I never said that the Liberals were fiscally prudent, I merely said that your previous reasoning (namely, calling forumers who post material generally accepted as true 'trolls') was fallacious.

well, I didn't post that

Originally Posted by Misspolitics

well, I didn't post that

Oh, sorry about that. It was meant for jo87. Your posting styles are very similar.

Originally Posted by jo87

We lost the surplus because of RECESSION not Harper. Any idiot can understand that

That may well be true, but one can easily argue that Harper could (and should) have done more to balance the books, going into the recession with such a hefty surplus. After all, there were one or two northern European countries ('inefficient commies' in your eyes?) that managed to preserve positive numbers throughout the recession, or only dipped into the red very briefly...