Originally Posted by Twinkle

Nor do we hate ladies, we love ladies, well, most of us.

Anyway, in the first page it was said that there are privileges for men and women. So that cancels out.

Here's a decent explanation as to why your last point isn't really correct. http://finallyfeminism101.wo rdpres...ale-privilege/

Originally Posted by Twinkle

Nor do we hate ladies, we love ladies, well, most of us.

Anyway, in the first page it was said that there are privileges for men and women. So that cancels out.

it doesn't "Cancel out" cause it's not equal

I already made that point but sexists generally don't see reason, otherwise they wouldn't be sexists

**Re-post, ignore

Originally Posted by Twinkle

except nobody says **** like "you fight like a cactus"

exactly my point, its sounds retarded.

and your reply saddens me. you actually think there can be too much equality? that people who demand to be treated with decency and fairness are taking things too seriously? you've never suffered a day in your life the way entire segments of the population does for their entire lives and you're not even going to try to understand

No, by me saying "people can't have enough equality" i meant they cant stop, they always keep trying to get more. Its just how we are, equality can't be achieved that way.

but in a more straight manner: don't ****ing try to undermine my experiences *******

No, I'm just gonna wait untill the admins decide to put a stop to this thread.

Here's a decent explanation as to why your last point isn't really correct.

All I noticed is the they say that female privilege is necessary. Which I mentioned above, they always want more equality, and by making it equal from their point of view, they need to reverse the current situation so men are inferior. Also I noticed that the author has several posts on feminism, so I assume she's a feminist activist of some sort, which means that she's biased.

Is anyone ever not going to be biased in your eyes? People aren't born feminists, they become feminists once they see the issues that still exist. Feminists DO NOT want men to be inferior, I don't understand why you have that view at all.

Originally Posted by Chris23

How many times do i need to spell it out for you kid. They arent under represented, and they cant be under represented, because there is number set in stone for how many men or women need to be in a set field. Its a man or a womans choice what field they go into, CANT BLAME THE WORLD IF WOMEN CHOOSE NOT TO GO INTO ENGINEERING. That is your answer alright! If women want to go into engineering or whatever field, THEY CAN. there are girls in engineering, and some pretty smart ones too! But they cant be "under represented" unless some exact number in terms of female population is expected to be in that field. Like jeez you keep posting the same question over and over, get answers, and then ask the same question again! You want to talk about having your fingers in your ears, look in the mirror man.

Except for privileged white males...

You guys are so biased and unaware as to how the world works when you aren't a white male, or just male in general. The fact alone that you are born male grants so many more privileges and opportunities than women (and if you are luck enough to be born a healthy white straight cis-male with access to education, you automatically have more privilege in this world than women, PoC, minorities, the LGBTQIA community and those who are differently abled!)

please read, educate yourselves!


Alright your getting very close to being border line racist here buddy so take a step back. Women have the same oppurtunities as men do. We can get the same schooling, we graduate with the same degrees because last time i checked, a degree doesnt state either male or female, and the job goes to the best qualified candidate. Ive seen just as many female doctors as i have male doctors.
finally, ill read and educate myself. While im at it though, why dont you learn how to spell "PRIVELEDGE". besides it should have been PRIVELEDGES

And what happens if there is a spot open for say a Doctor position in a hospital, or a place on a board of directors for a company, or a Lawyer becoming partner, if both a women and a man apply for the same job, whom are equally qualified the man will be given the job simply based on his sex. And thanks to the gender wage gap women will earn 77 cent for every dollar a man does doing the SAME JOB. I'm sorry but you can't sit here an honestly tell me the world work in a way that everyone regardless of gender is treated equally. That is an excellent ideal, a goal I hope is reached in my life time, but it is just not true!

http://www.jec.senate.gov/public/?a=...f-8232fe70a45c

And I don't see how I'm being border line racist here. A healthy white straight cis male will (more often than not and depended on the field) get the job over an equally qualified gay or female or Trans or PoC or differently abled (or any combination) person with the same qualifications.

Also that's incredible that you have been treated by an equal ratio of female to male doctors, as in most countries of the world the majority of doctors are male (which ties into male privilege and access to education over females all over the world!)

http://apps.who.int/ghodata/?vid=92400

Originally Posted by lelekb

it doesn't "Cancel out" cause it's not equal

I already made that point but sexists generally don't see reason, otherwise they wouldn't be sexists

Your just deeming anyone who opposes your opinion to be a sexist just because they dont agree with your views.

Originally Posted by Twinkle

All I noticed is the they say that female privilege is necessary. Which I mentioned above, they always want more equality, and by making it equal from their point of view, they need to reverse the current situation so men are inferior. Also I noticed that the author has several posts on feminism, so I assume she's a feminist activist of some sort, which means that she's biased.

Feminism isn't about making men inferior! That is not what feminists want to achieve! That is not the goal! That would just create more sexism which is something feminists are combating! Feminists just want women to be treated equally to men! We just want equality, not accomplished by bringing down men!

http://finallyfeminism101.wo rdpres...eminists-want/

And your biases as a male and apparent non-feminist can be completely ignored?


I really hope you are a troll because it hurts me to think someone can be this unaware of the current gender situation/war on women and ignorant of how society currently works!

Originally Posted by Chris23

Your just deeming anyone who opposes your opinion to be a sexist just because they dont agree with your views.

um no ****?

if my opinion is that we live in a patriarchal society where women have less rights and people who like to pretend this isn't true are are sexist, then people who do so ARE sexists to me, and I've only called 2 guys in this thread sexist based on their sexist opinions

listen you want to see me as a strawman feminist who just likes to hate on guys and call everybody sexists then go ahead, I guess I can't change that

Women also have a lot of benefits that men dont have in this world. A solid example is divorces. Women always get 50% of what the man has when she collects alimony. They typically get the kids which in turn means the man paying child support. So the whole field of marriage could be seen to have more negative reprecussions for men than it could for women. I know its only one example, but just saying there are plenty of areas where women have it better than men in the world. And i dont think any feminist activist would be willing to give up the judges typically siding with the women on alimony settlements.
Now ill wait for someone to completely tear apart what i just said..

Originally Posted by lelekb

um no shit?

if my opinion is that we live in a patriarchal society where women have less rights and people who like to pretend this isn't true are are sexist, then people who do so ARE sexists to me, and I've only called 2 guys in this thread sexist based on their sexist opinions

listen you want to see me as a strawman feminist who just likes to hate on guys and call everybody sexists then go ahead, I guess I can't change that

That is assuming that all your opinions are completely correct. which goes to show that you are completely ignorant to the opinions of others and no matter what your personal views have to be right in your eyes. from what you just said there is no way you can argue this point without contradicting your previous statement

Originally Posted by Chris23

Women also have a lot of benefits that men dont have in this world. A solid example is divorces. Women always get 50% of what the man has when she collects alimony. They typically get the kids which in turn means the man paying child support. So the whole field of marriage could be seen to have more negative reprecussions for men than it could for women. I know its only one example, but just saying there are plenty of areas where women have it better than men in the world. And i dont think any feminist activist would be willing to give up the judges typically siding with the women on alimony settlements.
Now ill wait for someone to completely tear apart what i just said..

A man can just as easily collect alimony if his partner has a higher salary. And women getting the children is not always the case, that is definitely changing these days (which I think is fair). If the woman is less able than the man to care for the children then he should gain custody. The gender of the parent shouldn't matter, all that should matter is protecting the children. So in regard to your last statement, the judge shouldn't be siding with either gender particularly, they should be siding with the person who has a stronger case. I personally don't like the idea of alimony to begin with, but that's just me.

Originally Posted by sarahsullz

A man can just as easily collect alimony if his partner has a higher salary. And women getting the children is not always the case, that is definitely changing these days (which I think is fair). If the woman is less able than the man to care for the children then he should gain custody. The gender of the parent shouldn't matter, all that should matter is protecting the children. So in regard to your last statement, the judge shouldn't be siding with either gender particularly, they should be siding with the person who has a stronger case. I personally don't like the idea of alimony to begin with, but that's just me.

Couldnt agree with this statement more!

chris, if you are genuinely interested in learning more about this topic and your original question, the http://finallyfeminism101.wo rdpres...s/faq-roundup/ links that a couple people have provided in this post are actually a really good place to start, i recommend taking a look at it if you haven't yet.

even if you may not agree with the content of that website right now, it'll give you a better understanding on the underlying topics related to your original question and it'll introduce you to a different perspective from what you may have been made aware of so far in your own life, which is always a good thing

it might also help to do a bit of googling on systematic oppression and discrimination, which ties into this and is something that many people aren't aware of because it's below the surface and not always blatantly intentional.

Originally Posted by Twinkle

In a nutshell... fun little thing called "doing science"?

As in not, well it never happened to me therefore it's not true...

Right, science, get several hundreds of interviews punch it into an equation and get a new reason to blame the society for your own inabilities. Gotta love science.

I've never got the flu nor met anyone who ever got the flu. Therefore the flu must not exist?

I never said it wasn't true. I just said that all those studies on how spread the problem is are invalid.

Individual experiences do not reflect society as a whole

Nor do the newspaper articles.

I've largely been privileged enough to face little barriers in my chosen field, but believe me when I say that when I'm not amazing at math or the physical sciences, people like to say it's because I'm a girl

Have you possible thought about how hard it is to be a guy? If you get punched - you gotta fight, otherwise you are not a man. If you try to get a job as a flight attendant or a office secretary - you are either gay or a loser.

And you can't even possibly image how hard it is to get a job in the adult movie industry if you are a guy, especially white. And even if you get the job, your salary is a grain of sand compared with your female co-workers. Bla-mo!

And guess what, you dont see us running around whining about how the world is unfair. We take it as it is quietly. That makes the difference between us.

Not that he can reply... but I'm sure he'll probably read this:

I don't understand your first point... I do love science, I don't think they needed an equation (except for possible stats analysis that they likely put their data through)

Second point... I never said it wasn't true, but all the academic articles that I don't agree with aren't true because they are biased even though I have no reason to believe that... interesting argument.

The newspaper articles cited relevant journal articles and I provided a link for a specific journal article. Yes, it is unequivocally more reliable as an indicator of reality than the unsubstantiated opinons of a nobody like yourself...