how about we just sell something else (with no effects) as MJ and make money off of that. :p

"The new MJ, doesn't make you dumber"

Originally Posted by J-Met

Good points. I suppose being pretty straight edge has made me automatically assume more people doing these types of substances is automatically socially detrimental. Others might see them as having positive social effects, ei people being more relaxed, less caught up in the rat race, reduction in overall stress, less violence, which I could totally see if a society is more open to recreational substances.

And your right; if legalization does lead to lower usage, a discouragement tax would seem redundant (though I still don't buy that legalization would decrease usage, as it would go against everything Ive learned about supply and demand lol). However, despite the presence or lack of negative externalities, I still think that consumption tax is better than income tax, so I'd support taxing weed for no other reason than to cut income taxes.

Btw I saw your brother at Cedar Park today! He seems well... following in your footsteps to nursing I see! I was glad to hear that...I think both you and him will be good at it.

I'd definitely agree about consumption taxes vs income taxes. I'd prefer if all goods and services were taxed equally, but even if Sin taxes were kept I'd prefer it to income taxes.

He mentioned that actually, I didn't even realize you were working there lol. And thanks!

I just came here to say that the only people who oppose marijuana are the ones who know next to nothing about it, and make decisions based on the propaganda they read, or similar brainwashing (I'm looking at you, religion). People who are educated on the subject realize that there is no logical argument to be made for MJ's prohibition.

I'll hopefully be back tonight with a link that has all the info on MJ that anyone could ever want. Have it bookmarked at home.

Originally Posted by kanthamd

i like this website http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/...ths/#accidents

so I read one of the articles cited for pot and traffic accidents
Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse. “Legalization: Panacea or Pandora’s Box”. New York. (1995):36.
http://www.worldandi.com/subscribers...sp?nu m=24834

"The extent of driving while high on marijuana and other illegal drugs is still not well known because usually the police do not have the same capability for roadside drug testing as they do for alcohol testing."

Must have been some baked high school kid who cited that one

also
" Workers who use cocaine and marijuana are twice as likely to be absent from work and to be injured, and one and a half times more likely to be involved in an accident.87 Overall, workers who use drugs are three times likelier to be late for work, 10 times likelier to miss work, and three to six times likelier to injure themselves or others. Drug-using workers are responsible for 40 percent of industrial fatalities and experience more than 300 percent higher medical and benefits costs.88 In 1991, lost productivity due to illegal drugs totalled $50 billion.89 With evidence of the health and workplace costs and consequences of drug use continuing to increase, it would be irresponsible to take action likely to increase such use."
"The effects of one marijuana joint on the lungs are equivalent to four cigarettes, placing the user at increased risk of bronchitis, emphysema, and bronchial asthma. The active ingredient in marijuana remains in the brain, lungs, and reproductive organs for weeks. Marijuana weakens the immune system,126 and regular use can disrupt the menstrual cycle and suppress ovarian function.127 Regardless of socioeconomic status, prenatal use of marijuana by the mother appears to reduce significantly the IQs of babies.128 Marijuana impairs short-term memory and ability to concentrate when its young users are in high school and college.129 And marijuana use diminishes motor control functions, distorts perception, and impairs judgment, leading among other things to increased car accidents and vandalism."
"While a biomedical or causal relationship between the two has not been established, 12 to 17 year-olds who smoke marijuana are 85 times more likely to use cocaine than those who do not."

"But legalizing marijuana would add a third drug that combines some of the most serious risks of the other two.137 Marijuana offers both the intoxicating effects of alcohol and the long-term lung damage of tobacco. It would be irresponsible to legalize marijuana and create a third legal drug, especially when we are still learning about its physical and psychological health effects as well as its relationship to other drugs and a variety of dangerous behaviors"

"Adolescent marijuana smokers are three times as likely to have sex..."
i guess u got me there, oh wait
"and far more likely to do so without a condom, putting themselves at much greater risk of teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases"

this study is from 95 though

Originally Posted by Souldier

Once one drug is legalized, then all the other more harmful and dangerous drugs will probably be legalized, and that's not a good thing.

currently, alcohol is legal in canada to consume.....and it has been that way for a while.
from the date that alch was made legal, till now, nothing else has been legalized

saying that once weed becomes legal, the knees of the politicians will will shake and make all other drugs legal....politicians dont really listen to a protestor when he/she says " commonnnn, weed is legal, why cant crack be legal!!??"


and my comparison to weed and alch; is that alch is MORE dangerous (in my opinion)

the number of deaths due to alch...too big of a number

the number of deaths due to weed...um.. never even heard of death due to weed.

legalize weed for people that are 19 or older

Originally Posted by gOOCHTOPHER

"While a biomedical or causal relationship between the two has not been established, 12 to 17 year-olds who smoke marijuana are 85 times more likely to use cocaine than those who do not."

Correlation is not causation, so this statistic really doesn't mean much for your argument at all...

It wouldn't matter if marijuana smoke is shown to cause flesh eating zombification in 0.1% of smokers; people are still going to smoke pot regardless of the health effects and sending them to jail hasn't worked for 50 years. The most crucial part of the debate is that if you support wasting billions of dollars and destroying the lives of thousands more so that you protect their health, then you are a massive hypocrite. The arrogance of those who think they have the right to choose what I do with my own body is unbelievable.

What is more immediately threatening to my health; Marijuana smoke or getting trunk slammed by a cop and raped in jail? Whats more threatening; THC or the stress of never finding a good job thanks to a criminal record? Maybe we should make possession of gasoline and dry erase markers a criminal offense since they are so impairing and dangerous to our health. Health effects are an absolutely ridiculous argument for prohibition.

Originally Posted by zombiejesus

You've all been trolled so hard.

The general population believes that marijuana should be legalized. Anyone who has smoked weed knows that its fairly harmless and is no worse than coffee. It is no use debating with these fools who have been brainwashed by propaganda.

Health effects? Oh please. I hope you watch what you eat 24/7, don't breath Hamilton's air, and get regular sleep. If you don't, then you are a bit of a hypocrite to demonize one thing for lowering your health and allowing your health to be taken away from you in every other respect. I'll let my friend here speak for me:

i'll get the tree

you bring that thing

http://www.brainwaving.com/2010/04/1...ana-deficient/

Originally Posted by Mahratta

Correlation is not causation, so this statistic really doesn't mean much for your argument at all...

implying i wrote that


i dont really care that much if pot is legalized or not and i dont think it will ever be legal
i just think its ridiculous people deny the dangers of its use, and people who are ignorant of possible benefits

Originally Posted by zombiejesus

It wouldn't matter if marijuana smoke is shown to cause flesh eating zombification in 0.1% of smokers; people are still going to smoke pot regardless of the health effects and sending them to jail hasn't worked for 50 years. The most crucial part of the debate is that if you support wasting billions of dollars and destroying the lives of thousands more so that you protect their health, then you are a massive hypocrite. The arrogance of those who think they have the right to choose what I do with my own body is unbelievable.

What is more immediately threatening to my health; Marijuana smoke or getting trunk slammed by a cop and raped in jail? Whats more threatening; THC or the stress of never finding a good job thanks to a criminal record? Maybe we should make possession of gasoline and dry erase markers a criminal offense since they are so impairing and dangerous to our health. Health effects are an absolutely ridiculous argument for prohibition.

o god so much fail

Originally Posted by gOOCHTOPHER

implying i wrote that


i dont really care that much if pot is legalized or not and i dont think it will ever be legal
i just think its ridiculous people deny the dangers of its use, and people who are ignorant of possible benefits



o god so much fail

there is danger sitting in your computer chair right now

theres danger in everything one can possibly do

do you take showers? * SLIP * FALL * DIE* theres a danger in showering too

what the people who want weed legalized are trying to say is that

WEED SHOULD BE LEGAL FOR ONE REASON:

1) THERE ARE OTHER DRUGS THAT ARE LEGAL IN THE WORLD THAT ARE MORE DANGEROUS THAN WEED....I.E.: ALCH...

TO PROVE MY POINT: HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE DIED FROM OVERDOSING ON WEED
AND HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE DIED FROM OVERDOSING ON ALCH

HOW MANY PEOPLES LIVERS FAIL DUE TO WEED
HOW MANY PEOPLES LIVERS FAIL DUE TO ALCH

do you see where im going with this lmao...

if this was the only reason weed was illegal....well then it wouldnt be

theres more to the legalities of weed than health benefits (or draw backs according to some ppl)

such as the economy, keeping people in power, keeping money in certain sections, and away from others..

for example: its a fact that weed is smoked by cancer patients to "take away pain", weed is a very strong drug and people know it

do you know what would happen to Billion Dollar pharmaceutical companies if weed became legal and pharmacies sold it?

i can honestly say that weed can cure more than tylenol can....headaches, pains.... what else? u name it weed can also put a bandaid on it and make the problem go aaway (like tylenol).. its not a long term solution, but it does exactly what tylenol does..

legalizing weed can **** up everything ........liek the economy

i have to much to say to go too indepth

but the fact is that weed will stay illegal.
and its bullshit


SMOKE WEED ERRYDAY!

Originally Posted by gOOCHTOPHER

implying i wrote that

Oh, true, you just quote and post related topics at random, these have all been coincidences.

Originally Posted by zombiejesus

You've all been trolled so hard.

The general population believes that marijuana should be legalized. Anyone who has smoked weed knows that its fairly harmless and is no worse than coffee. It is no use debating with these fools who have been brainwashed by propaganda.

Health effects? Oh please. I hope you watch what you eat 24/7, don't breath Hamilton's air, and get regular sleep. If you don't, then you are a bit of a hypocrite to demonize one thing for lowering your health and allowing your health to be taken away from you in every other respect. I'll let my friend here speak for me:

This man speaks the truth.