Originally Posted by TTHX

tonnes of people vape all the time. it just depends on the persons choice of method.

But do you think the majority of people would go and buy a vapourizer instead of just rolling or filling a bowl?

Originally Posted by manap3000

frankly i dont care whether it's legal or not, i still think less of someone who lights up a joint on a regular basis (trying it to satisfy your curiousity is okay tho)

frankly, i'm pretty sure 100% of people that smoke don't give a crap about what you think of them. a pretentious person such as yourself that thinks they're better than someone else simply because they smoke mj is pure asinine.

frankly, i think less of someone that has a narrow mind and easily think they're better than someone else simply for a small fact of habit or choice of recreational use of something.

Originally Posted by maclover

First of all, like others said, you give no rational, objective validity of why to use marijuana and the effects of marijuana use on yourself.

Can you give a rational, objective reason to use alcohol? To use tobacco? To drink coffee or tea? Your argument doesn't work in relation to the topic - there obviously doesn't need to be a "rational, objective" reason to use a substance for that substance to be legal.

Originally Posted by jhan523

But do you think the majority of people would go and buy a vapourizer instead of just rolling or filling a bowl?

you don't even need to buy one, you can build one yourself quite easily. i'm just saying that a large percentage of people who do smoke on a more regular basis than those that do it once every month or so would try different methods more often. such as edibles as well.

Originally Posted by TTHX

you don't even need to buy one, you can build one yourself quite easily. i'm just saying that a large percentage of people who do smoke on a more regular basis than those that do it once every month or so would try different methods more often. such as edibles as well.

Oh ok, I didn't know...

Your second point is quite a good one. It's frequent smokers who are more probably for lung cancer and the fact that they would probably try different methods would mean they could find one that isn't so detrimental.

This could also be part of the awareness should it be legalized.

The only reason it is illegal is because the government can not tax it. There has yet to be a reported death from smoking weed but alcohol is legal and is killing thousands of people. It is so easy for people to grow weed so they decide to make it illegal since the government can not tax it.

You've all been trolled so hard.

The general population believes that marijuana should be legalized. Anyone who has smoked weed knows that its fairly harmless and is no worse than coffee. It is no use debating with these fools who have been brainwashed by propaganda.

Health effects? Oh please. I hope you watch what you eat 24/7, don't breath Hamilton's air, and get regular sleep. If you don't, then you are a bit of a hypocrite to demonize one thing for lowering your health and allowing your health to be taken away from you in every other respect. I'll let my friend here speak for me:

Jeeze, I see a lot of people are whining and moaning about the long term effects of weed. Here is something that I have learned: Do everything in moderation. If you drink too much, it's bad, if you eat too much red meat, it's bad, if you smoke too much weed it's bad. An occasional joint isn't going to kill you. That's not to say people will still overuse it if it's legal, but it's all about self-control in the end.

Originally Posted by jamescw1234

...Do everything in moderation. If you drink too much, it's bad, if you eat too much red meat, it's bad, if you smoke too much weed it's bad. An occasional joint isn't going to kill you. That's not to say people will still overuse it if it's legal, but it's all about self-control in the end.

Don't forget fat food (fast food)!

Originally Posted by thatdudeukno

Let me explain to you why we "glamourize" it. Since you sound a person who obviously knows nothing about the topic in discussion, I am going to break down to you what marijuana means to me and some of the major misconceptions people have about it.

First and foremost, any smoke does harm to your lungs. Marijuana can also be ingested or vaporized, therefore removing most if not all harm.

For the regular toker, (and any discussion about harm from pot should be about the regular toker) inhaling, by far without a doubt, will be the primary method of consumption, nulling your assertion of "removing most if not all harm". Smoking pot can and will harm your lungs, please do not be delusional.

Originally Posted by thatdudeukno

Ever get stressed out? Marijuana is the best stress reliever out there.

Just one option. What about doing something that doesn't involving abusing a mind-altering illicit drug? What about going for a run? Listening to your favorite record? Visit an art gallery? or perhaps do sth to take care of what's causing the stress instead of getting and high and taking two step backwards from the solution?

Originally Posted by thatdudeukno

Have appetite problems? This can be a curse or a gift as marijuana makes you very hungry.

Really? Reeaallly? when was the last time you heard someone say, "oh man i don't feel like eating lets take a drug to stimulate my appetite!" Unless you have a medically diagnosed appetite problem, sorry but this is just bs.

Originally Posted by thatdudeukno

Marijuana does brain damage? Wrong. Marijuana stimulates certain regions in your brain to stimulate certain euphoric effects but does not create brain cell damaging toxins.

Absolutely right. But while marijuana might not go and fry braincells directly, overstimulation of neural circuitry and certainly overstimulation for a regular and sustained period of time can and will alter these circuitry. the exact alterations might be different from person to person: positive, neutral or negative. But regardless it DOES affect your brain. Again, don't be delusional. Also realise that while the THC might not be a toxin, the buds itself are carcinogenic and most definitely toxic. This is the same logic behind vaporizers being healthy.

Originally Posted by thatdudeukno

Marijuana destroys your memory? Wrong. However, marjuana does effect your short term memory for the period the THC is still active in your system. If you stop smoking, there are no permanent effects on memory.

KEY word there is IF YOU STOP SMOKING. Also if you're only an occasional i.e. once or twice a month. smoker this applies. Otherwise, someone smoking pot on a regular basis will notice a difference in their memory/ cognitive abilities, difference may not be chronic or may not be there for everyone but it's definitely existent. If they say the don't, they obviously don't remember far back enough to know what it felt like before they started being hopeless potheads.

Originally Posted by thatdudeukno

Marijuana overdose? Impossible.

Glad you're right on that one.

Originally Posted by thatdudeukno

Last but not least, it makes you feel great. No matter what is on your mind the herb takes away all those worries.

Your image of a "pothead" is extremely skewed, I suggest you keep an open mind and learn about something before making such a moronic comment. Thanks.

Then what would be an unskewed image of a pothead?
Smoke all the pot you want but please don't be in denial. Smoking pot is bad and evil. Not something a righteous, law-abiding citizen should or would do. It is definitely not your only option for recreation or stress relief.

Originally Posted by Marlowe

Yeah, I just came from Europe and its definitely a nice change to be able to go to a convenience store to buy alcohol. And I went to a few convenience stores that would put the LCBO (a dedicated alcohol service) to shame in terms of selection. The prices weren't all that much better than in Canada though (except Barcelona, which had some amazing prices).

I can understand the arguments for taxation- if you support government programs, there has to be a way to pay for them. But I don't understand the arguments for "sin" taxes (extra taxes on cigarettes, alcohol, potentially marijuana). Why should people who like to partake in those activities pay more than a straight edge person? The only arguments I've really seen are either because a) the activities are immoral (which is obviously a terrible argument), or because people who partake in those activities tend to take up more government resources (health care). However all of those activities, in moderation, have been shown to have net positive health benefits which could reduce costs (except smoking).

Negative externalities my friend, negative externalities. Alcohol, Marijuana, and Tobacco, among other sins like gambling and prostitution, cause a lot more socially and economically negative effects to society than what is accounted for in their cost. If someone were to sell Marijuana, alcohol, or Tobacco un-taxed, the free market would reduce their price to near the price of production. For marijuana especially, which I assume can be grown in large fields like any other agricultural product, it would be incredibly cheap to make.

However, this low price would not create a socially and economically efficient equilibrium production because it would not include costs like those on our health care system (I don't care what kind of smoke it is, smoke of any kind is bad for your lungs when inhaled), reduced land values in high-use areas, and an overall decrease in productivity. If left un-taxed, the net benefit to the smokers would not make up for the losses incurred by those effected by its negative effects.

Hell, the tax doesn't even have to go towards government programs. Much of the reason why I support taxes on consumption is because you can not only use them to account for negative externalities, which increases the efficiency of the market, but you can also use them to cut income taxes, which encourages people to work. (this is why I'm interested in the idea of a FairTax)

Anyways, to get back onto the original topic of this thread. I do support the legalization of Marijuana. Its been proven equally or less harmful than alcohol, and if appropriate taxes are put into place, the negative effects it has on society will be efficiently priced. For those worried about walking down the street and seeing a slum of pot-heads, the same legal restrictions that are in place for alcohol can easily be put in place for weed (no smoking in public etc.).

Also, do it for the Mexicans. If we (and more importantly the US) legalized marijuana we'd stop funding the drug cartels that are wrecking their country right now.

Originally Posted by J-Met

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Also, do it for the Mexicans. If we (and more importantly the US) legalized marijuana we'd stop funding the drug cartels that are wrecking their country right now.

New pro-pot slogan: smoke a legal joint, save a Mexican.

Originally Posted by zombiejesus

You've all been trolled so hard.

its fairly harmless and is no worse than coffee

60% of the people. **** YA!