For those looking for the article that talks about Cannabis and Schizophrenia:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20660494

Originally Posted by gOOCHTOPHER

so from that study
people who developed schizophrenia from a lifetime of pot use have better cognitive performance than people with schizophrenia who are not lifetime smokers
maybe pot has treatment purposes, too bad it caused it in the first place

I used the study to prove how pointless it was to make premature generalizations due to the complexity of the mental actions of cannabis - you'll end up getting seemingly "contradictory" results with gross simplifications like the ones you put forward earlier

Originally Posted by gOOCHTOPHER

ive heard the long term psychotic effects are under studied and of concern

my post is too short

Originally Posted by maclover

[/b]I personally believe that any drug should be used only when NEEDED. MJ's postive, beneficial qualities should only be used for prescription or hospital so that those patients who are battling AIDS, MS, chemotheraphy, ADD etc. are the ones who benefit. So my question for a regular or even an occasional MJ user is, do you have AIDS? MS? Cancer? ADD? If not, then why the **** do you use it?

Not really on topic, but did you really just put ADD in the same category as AIDS, Cancer, and MS?

Originally Posted by Mahratta

Completely anecdotal. Please provide evidence of these "brain-frying" powers of cannabis beyond the argument employed here:



Unfortunately your opinion on why people do cannabis doesn't (and shouldn't) affect the debate on whether it should be legal or not. For example, I think the lottery is a waste of money, and is completely unnecessary - that doesn't mean that I think it should be illegal.



"Cannabis made me feel stupider <sic>" is not a good argument for keeping it illegal, sorry.In fact, even if cannabis did make you " feel stupider" <sic>, that still wouldn't be motivation enough to keep it scheduled. I can think of one legal drug in particular which has entirely depressive effects, can you?

frankly i dont care whether it's legal or not, i still think less of someone who lights up a joint on a regular basis (trying it to satisfy your curiousity is okay tho)

Originally Posted by maclover

Let's just talk about this philosophically,

Pain in the long term!
The truth is many college students use MJ to escape the stress and harsh realities of life. Instead of facing them, they "self-medicate" using MJ and think that they will be able to solve their problems or feel better. However, little do they know that using MJ is like procrastinating. MJ might make them forget their worries in the short term but in the long term, they are just delaying postponing their life problems.

Neediness!
I personally believe that any drug should be used only when NEEDED. MJ's postive, beneficial qualities should only be used for prescription or hospital so that those patients who are battling AIDS, MS, chemotheraphy, ADD etc. are the ones who benefit. So my question for a regular or even an occasional MJ user is, do you have AIDS? MS? Cancer? ADD? If not, then why the **** do you use it?

Negative effects
There are harmful effects of using MJ. There are very harmful term health effects on heart(palpitations and increased heart rate), lung(Marijuana contains more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke and because marijuana smokers typically inhale deeper and hold the smoke in their lungs longer than tobacco smokers, their lungs are exposed to those carcinogenic properties longer, when smoking; lung cancer) and brain(growing association between chronic marijuana use and anxiety, depression, and psychotic illnesses such as Schizophrenia).

MJ is very addictive as well which can destroy your daily routine(going to work, performing duties, etc.)

In addition, research indicates that THC impairs the body's immune system from fighting disease, which can cause a wide variety of health problems. Moreover, children born to mothers who use MJ demonstrated poor concentration, visual, and problem solving skills.

Hence, we should not legalize MJ to general public. MJ doesn't solve any problems for you. In the end, you have to solve them by yourself.

I honestly think you have no ****ing idea what you are talking about. People like you really give marijuana a false, negative identity.

I smoked marijuana on a daily basis through the summer, finished two economics courses with pretty good marks. I even wrote some of my midterms stoned, and did pretty well.

My daily routine is also intact.

There have been absolutely no studies that have showed permanent damage to your heart, an increase in heart rate is definitely one of the effects. Even masturbating increases your heart rate, what is your point?

Marijuana does NOT contain more carcinogens than cigarettes, studies have proven that certain chemicals in MJ actually help clean your lungs, google it.
No chemicals in marijuana are related to lung cancer, while the smoke in cigarettes paralyzes the cilia found in your lungs that actively help to clean your lungs, marijuana smoke does not. Also note that most comparisons are based on Marijuana leaves vs Tobacco leaves, if you know anything marijuana leaves are NOT smoked, the flower is.

In the history of the world nobody has ever died as a direct result of marijuana.

Your turn.

Originally Posted by thatdudeukno

I honestly think you have no ****ing idea what you are talking about. People like you really give marijuana a false, negative identity.

I smoked marijuana on a daily basis through the summer, finished two economics courses with pretty good marks. I even wrote some of my midterms stoned, and did pretty well.

My daily routine is also intact.

There have been absolutely no studies that have showed permanent damage to your heart, an increase in heart rate is definitely one of the effects. Even masturbating increases your heart rate, what is your point?

Marijuana does NOT contain more carcinogens than cigarettes, studies have proven that certain chemicals in MJ actually help clean your lungs, google it.
No chemicals in marijuana are related to lung cancer, while the smoke in cigarettes paralyzes the cilia found in your lungs that actively help to clean your lungs, marijuana smoke does not. Also note that most comparisons are based on Marijuana leaves vs Tobacco leaves, if you know anything marijuana leaves are NOT smoked, the flower is.

In the history of the world nobody has ever died as a direct result of marijuana.

Your turn.

You should also provide the scientific research instead of just asking about it.

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/328/7431/72
High tar ratings (>22mg) increases your risk of lung cancer. The article talks about cigarette tar, but MJ also produces tar since it still produces smoke. Smoke is particles and these particles coat the lungs.

Please post the scientific research that says chemicals in MJ help clean your lungs.

Originally Posted by jhan523

High tar ratings (>22mg) increases your risk of lung cancer. The article talks about cigarette tar, but MJ also produces tar since it still produces smoke. Smoke is particles and these particles coat the lungs.

Well, cannabis can be vapourised or taken orally as well, and the effect is still preserved. However, your point stands, of course, regarding smoked cannabis.

Originally Posted by jhan523

You should also provide the scientific research instead of just asking about it.

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/328/7431/72
High tar ratings (>22mg) increases your risk of lung cancer. The article talks about cigarette tar, but MJ also produces tar since it still produces smoke. Smoke is particles and these particles coat the lungs.

Please post the scientific research that says chemicals in MJ help clean your lungs.

http://forum.grasscity.com/general-m...pectorant.html

Originally Posted by thatdudeukno

http://forum.grasscity.com/general-m...pectorant.html

That's some quality, unbiased and peer-reviewed research there, from a forum for marijuana users.

Originally Posted by thatdudeukno

I honestly think you have no ****ing idea what you are talking about. People like you really give marijuana a false, negative identity.

I smoked marijuana on a daily basis through the summer, finished two economics courses with pretty good marks. I even wrote some of my midterms stoned, and did pretty well.

My daily routine is also intact.

There have been absolutely no studies that have showed permanent damage to your heart, an increase in heart rate is definitely one of the effects. Even masturbating increases your heart rate, what is your point?

Marijuana does NOT contain more carcinogens than cigarettes, studies have proven that certain chemicals in MJ actually help clean your lungs, google it.
No chemicals in marijuana are related to lung cancer, while the smoke in cigarettes paralyzes the cilia found in your lungs that actively help to clean your lungs, marijuana smoke does not. Also note that most comparisons are based on Marijuana leaves vs Tobacco leaves, if you know anything marijuana leaves are NOT smoked, the flower is.

In the history of the world nobody has ever died as a direct result of marijuana.

Your turn.

implying your not ignorant

Originally Posted by Mahratta

Well, cannabis can be vapourised or taken orally as well, and the effect is still preserved. However, your point stands, of course, regarding smoked cannabis.

That is true, but vapourizing isn't something I think people would do. Orally is different though, so that's a good point.

Originally Posted by thatdudeukno

http://forum.grasscity.com/general-m...pectorant.html

I agree with Dave, forums just don't cut it. Scientific Journal Articles are unbiased and peer-reviewed in order to remain unbiased.

Originally Posted by thatdudeukno

I honestly think you have no ****ing idea what you are talking about. People like you really give marijuana a false, negative identity.

I smoked marijuana on a daily basis through the summer, finished two economics courses with pretty good marks. I even wrote some of my midterms stoned, and did pretty well.

My daily routine is also intact.

There have been absolutely no studies that have showed permanent damage to your heart, an increase in heart rate is definitely one of the effects. Even masturbating increases your heart rate, what is your point?

Marijuana does NOT contain more carcinogens than cigarettes, studies have proven that certain chemicals in MJ actually help clean your lungs, google it.
No chemicals in marijuana are related to lung cancer, while the smoke in cigarettes paralyzes the cilia found in your lungs that actively help to clean your lungs, marijuana smoke does not. Also note that most comparisons are based on Marijuana leaves vs Tobacco leaves, if you know anything marijuana leaves are NOT smoked, the flower is.

In the history of the world nobody has ever died as a direct result of marijuana.

Your turn.

First of all, like others said, you give no rational, objective validity of why to use marijuana and the effects of marijuana use on yourself.

Second, my arguments are facts based on a significant amount of people, not just yourself. Different people have different responses but a significant amount of people who use marijuana showed symptoms that I explained in my previous post.

Third, you don't need to die to suffer from the effects of marijuana. Like I and others said, there have been links that show connections between marijuana use and mental problems like schizophrenia, anxiety, depression, etc. Google them or pubmed them, you will definitely find links.

Just because you don't have any problems does not mean everybody else will not have problems when they use MJ.

Originally Posted by jhan523

That is true, but vapourizing isn't something I think people would do. Orally is different though, so that's a good point.

tonnes of people vape all the time. it just depends on the persons choice of method.

Originally Posted by maclover

First of all, like others said, you give no rational, objective validity of why to use marijuana and the effects of marijuana use on yourself.

Second, my arguments are facts based on a significant amount of people, not just yourself. Different people have different responses but a significant amount of people who use marijuana showed symptoms that I explained in my previous post.

Third, you don't need to die to suffer from the effects of marijuana. Like I and others said, there have been links that show connections between marijuana use and mental problems like schizophrenia, anxiety, depression, etc. Google them or pubmed them, you will definitely find links.

Just because you don't have any problems does not mean everybody else will not have problems when they use MJ.

Like I already said a couple times in this thread, nothing is black and white. Everything has it's pros and cons, its effects and side-effects. That's why you can't make decisions based purely on the cons. Just because there are cons doesn't mean there aren't any pros that can outweigh them.