as a person who's tried it a couple times, i honestly dont see what all the hype is about, it made me feel stupid, and i thought and got worried about the dumbest things. I guess it varies from person to person, and it's not for everyone.
p.s. the times i did do it i was completely stoned out of my mind, , my friends (not anymore of course) wouldn't let me get away with just a few tokes
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as a person who's tried it a couple times, i honestly dont see what all the hype is about, it made me feel stupid, and i thought and got worried about the dumbest things. I guess it varies from person to person, and it's not for everyone, but that doesn't stop me from looking down a little (just a little, not gonna go all soldier boy on you here ) at the people who do use it, why would you purposely want to feel stupider. A lot of people associate stoppage of pot use with growing up, maybe im just maturer than y'all.
p.s. the times i did do it i was completely stoned out of my mind, , my friends (not anymore of course) wouldn't let me get away with just a few tokes
The effects definitively vary from person to person. Some people get paranoid, some people get loud, some people get quiet, some people get the giggles, etc...
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A lot of people associate stoppage of pot use with growing up, maybe im just maturer than y'all.
That's some major condescending... Lol
And yes, don't give in to peer pressure!
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Let me explain to you why we "glamourize" it. Since you sound a person who obviously knows nothing about the topic in discussion, I am going to break down to you what marijuana means to me and some of the major misconceptions people have about it.
First and foremost, any smoke does harm to your lungs. Marijuana can also be ingested or vaporized, therefore removing most if not all harm. Many patients who suffer from chronic pain cannot inhale smoke so they ingest it. Do you know how it feels to be in constant agony 24/7? I doubt it.
Ever get stressed out? Marijuana is the best stress reliever out there.
Have appetite problems? This can be a curse or a gift as marijuana makes you very hungry.
Marijuana does brain damage? Wrong. Marijuana stimulates certain regions in your brain to stimulate certain euphoric effects but does not create brain cell damaging toxins.
Marijuana destroys your memory? Wrong. However, marjuana does effect your short term memory for the period the THC is still active in your system. If you stop smoking, there are no permanent effects on memory.
Marijuana overdose? Impossible.
Last but not least, it makes you feel great. No matter what is on your mind the herb takes away all those worries.
Your image of a "pothead" is extremely skewed, I suggest you keep an open mind and learn about something before making such a moronic comment. Thanks.
lol so when u see potheads in hamilton it wasnt the pot that fried their brain
ive heard the long term psychotic effects are under studied and of concern
agree with maclover, most of these things are done cause we are bored
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lol so when u see potheads in hamilton it wasnt the pot that fried their brain
Completely anecdotal. Please provide evidence of these "brain-frying" powers of cannabis beyond the argument employed here:
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agree with maclover, most of these things are done cause we are bored
Unfortunately your opinion on why people do cannabis doesn't (and shouldn't) affect the debate on whether it should be legal or not. For example, I think the lottery is a waste of money, and is completely unnecessary - that doesn't mean that I think it should be illegal.
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as a person who's tried it a couple times, i honestly dont see what all the hype is about, it made me feel stupid, and i thought and got worried about the dumbest things. I guess it varies from person to person, and it's not for everyone, but that doesn't stop me from looking down a little (just a little, not gonna go all soldier boy on you here ) at the people who do use it, why would you purposely want to feel stupider.
"Cannabis made me feel stupider <sic>" is not a good argument for keeping it illegal, sorry.In fact, even if cannabis did make you " feel stupider" <sic>, that still wouldn't be motivation enough to keep it scheduled. I can think of one legal drug in particular which has entirely depressive effects, can you?
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Completely anecdotal. Please provide evidence of these "brain-frying" powers of cannabis beyond the argument employed here:
Unfortunately your opinion on why people do cannabis doesn't (and shouldn't) affect the debate on whether it should be legal or not. For example, I think the lottery is a waste of money, and is completely unnecessary - that doesn't mean that I think it should be illegal.
implying that when i said people do it cause they are bored has anything to do with my opinion on whether it should be legal or not
also tell me you have never seen someone completely change because of pot, go on pubmed, im at work and obviously too busy
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implying that when i said people do it cause they are bored has anything to do with my opinion on whether it should be legal or not
Well, read the thread title...
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also tell me you have never seen someone completely change because of pot, go on pubmed, im at work and obviously too busy
What exactly are you trying to have me do? Tell you something, or go on pubmed?
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Well, read the thread title...
What exactly are you trying to have me do? Tell you something, or go on pubmed?
He wants you to provide scientific evidence through a published journal article.
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He wants you to provide scientific evidence through a published journal article.
Scientific evidence for what? I don't think I'll be able to find articles titled "cannabis does not fry brains"
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Well, read the thread title...
What exactly are you trying to have me do? Tell you something, or go on pubmed?
implying i cant make comments related to the thread
if you go on pubmed and read some articles you will find the long term psychotic effects are there, cancerous effects are inconclusive and there are more studies for its anti cancer effects
your paying to go to mac, can use your mac id to retrieve articles
i remember reading one study where one group was smokers and one was smokers and pot smokers, and the smokers and pot smokers group had a lower chance of lung cancer
people make arguments about the negative effects then you talk about other drugs
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implying i cant make comments related to the thread
if you go on pubmed and read some articles you will find the long term psychotic effects are there, cancerous effects are inconclusive and there are more studies for its anti cancer effects
your paying to go to mac, can use your mac id to retrieve articles
i remember reading one study where one group was smokers and one was smokers and pot smokers, and the smokers and pot smokers group had a lower chance of lung cancer
people make arguments about the negative effects then you talk about other drugs
Can you link the article? I find it hard to believe that smoking anything reduces your chance of lung cancer. As far as I know, if you smoke anything then you'll increase your chance of lung cancer no matter what it is.
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^ I think he means that the risk is lower in cannabis users relative to tobacco users. Smoking cannabis presumably does increase the risk of lung cancer as well, since you are burning plant material - tar isn't limited to tobacco products
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if you go on pubmed and read some articles you will find the long term psychotic effects are there
Perhaps you should take a bit of your own advice - read, for example, the Yuecel, Bora, et. al. article that describes the complexities in associating cannabis with particular conditions (schizophrenia is considered, since it's long been the condition most assumed to be correlated with cannabis use), and see why judgments like "brains fried by cannabis" are nonsensical at best.
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i remember reading one study where one group was smokers and one was smokers and pot smokers, and the smokers and pot smokers group had a lower chance of lung cancer
That's great. Unfortunately, I never contested that cannabis did or did not harm the lungs - I think my qualm was with "cannabis fries brains".
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Can you link the article? I find it hard to believe that smoking anything reduces your chance of lung cancer. As far as I know, if you smoke anything then you'll increase your chance of lung cancer no matter what it is.
^ I think he means that the risk is lower in cannabis users relative to tobacco users. Smoking cannabis presumably does increase the risk of lung cancer as well, since you are burning plant material - tar isn't limited to tobacco products
Perhaps you should take a bit of your own advice - read, for example, the Yuecel, Bora, et. al. article that describes the complexities in associating cannabis with particular conditions (schizophrenia is considered, since it's long been the condition most assumed to be correlated with cannabis use), and see why judgments like "brains fried by cannabis" are nonsensical at best.
That's great. Unfortunately, I never contested that cannabis did or did not harm the lungs - I think my qualm was with "cannabis fries brains".
OH, ok. Lol yeah, that makes A LOT more sense.
Just wanted to add: tar is produced by the mixture of smoke and liquids (which in this case would be saliva and the water/surfactant in your lungs.
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Yeah, I misread your post but Mahratta explained it.
The study looks legit, there's quite a process that journal articles has to go through in order to get published. But there are some articles that are faked (There was a really big scandal about vaccinations and it's link to autism that was caused by a faked article).
But yeah, a summary of the article for those that don't understand or are too lazy to read.
Chances of lung cancer:
Tobacco Smokers >> MJ & Tobacco Smokers > MJ Smokers > Non Smokers
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^ I think he means that the risk is lower in cannabis users relative to tobacco users. Smoking cannabis presumably does increase the risk of lung cancer as well, since you are burning plant material - tar isn't limited to tobacco products
Perhaps you should take a bit of your own advice - read, for example, the Yuecel, Bora, et. al. article that describes the complexities in associating cannabis with particular conditions (schizophrenia is considered, since it's long been the condition most assumed to be correlated with cannabis use), and see why judgments like "brains fried by cannabis" are nonsensical at best.
That's great. Unfortunately, I never contested that cannabis did or did not harm the lungs - I think my qualm was with "cannabis fries brains".
so from that study
people who developed schizophrenia from a lifetime of pot use have better cognitive performance than people with schizophrenia who are not lifetime smokers
maybe pot has treatment purposes, too bad it caused it in the first place
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) at the people who do use it, why would you purposely want to feel stupider. A lot of people associate stoppage of pot use with growing up, maybe im just maturer than y'all. 
