Picketing chants / cheers
10-30-2009 at 07:03 PM
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that paints a rather inappropriate picture
you guys should really go to CUPE's office in the basement of Wentworth House and look at their bulletin board...I don't like CUPE course of action right now but their problems are quite real
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10-30-2009 at 09:33 PM
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Now I have another good reason to get by the picket line as fast as possible.
I hope this doesn't turn into another headache like the Israel-Palestine thing.
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Yep, people speaking their mind sure can get annoying.
If you don't like people having the right to express themselves and peacefully protest, then you're more than welcome to move to Iran or North Korea, where people don't have those rights.
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10-30-2009 at 09:46 PM
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Yep, people speaking their mind sure can get annoying.
Get over it.
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I have nothing against people speaking their minds.
It's just gotten redundant, the arguments from both sides ignore opposing arguments, and it's gotten to the point where the only people I feel sorry for are innocent bystanders (such as T.A.s who are put in awful positions - picketing so they can pay their bills even if they disagree with it, and students who are missing out on tutorials/class).
CUPE has gotten ridiculous with their attempt to try to make people to take pictures of individuals who cross the picket line. And I've pretty much ignored most anti-union sentiment (and will continue to do so).
Edit: But really, I like how you try to change a "headache" after listening to redundant arguments that go nowhere into censorship of free speech.
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Reason: changed striking to picketing
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10-30-2009 at 09:53 PM
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CUPE has gotten ridiculous with their attempt to try to make people to take pictures of individuals who cross the picket line. And I've pretty much ignored most anti-union sentiment (and will continue to do so).
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I completely agree that that is ridiculous, but isn't that anti-union sentiment?
(Not to pick on you or anything, I'm just curious.)
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10-30-2009 at 09:55 PM
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both sides ignore opposing arguments ... I've pretty much ignored most anti-union sentiment (and will continue to do so).
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Pot calling the kettle black?
There are very some very strong reasons to dislike unions. While your statement may be accurate in some cases (both sides ignoring opposing arguments) I think many of us are listening (I sure am), and we're simply not convinced either way.
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I completely agree that that is ridiculous, but isn't that anti-union sentiment?
(Not to pick on you or anything, I'm just curious.)
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I should have clarified.
I just have issues with people constantly union bashing in every single situation.
I'm neither pro-CUPE or anti-union. I prefer to analyse things on a case-by-case basis and in this case their last action was disgusting.
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Pot calling the kettle black?
There are very some very strong reasons to dislike unions. While your statement may be accurate in some cases (both sides ignoring opposing arguments) I think many of us are listening (I sure am), and we're simply not convinced either way.
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I meant most of the anti-union stuff such as blatantly biased comments (i.e. unions are lazy, T.A.'s should just suck it up, etc.). Just like I've taken everything from the union side with a grain of salt.
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10-30-2009 at 10:04 PM
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As a TA readying to go on strike it's pretty offensive to hear a lot of this. No one wants a strike and we're sorry it has come to this (if it comes to this). Lots has been said about the reasons for this strike on the other threads. But even if you are against the union's actions, come talk to us on the picket line. Don't be a jackass. Hear our stories and our side of things. Otherwise you're just ignorant. This is still a university and it is a place for rational debate, not childish antics.
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10-30-2009 at 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay
I should have clarified.
I just have issues with people constantly union bashing in every single situation.
I'm neither pro-CUPE or anti-union. I prefer to analyse things on a case-by-case basis and in this case their last action was disgusting.
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Alright, completely fair.
It was my understanding that the taking pictures thing was from the CUPE handbook on picketing, not anything new though.
I tend to get anti union whenever I hear about unions using similar tactics. Which tends to be everytime I hear of unions...
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10-30-2009 at 10:08 PM
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Hear our stories and our side of things. Otherwise you're just ignorant.
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Wow, totally not true. Many of the people here know just what's going on, and know exactly what both sides are arguing.
Going to the unionists and asking them why they're on strike is like going to the Conservative party and asking them why people shouldn't vote Liberal.
As I've said before, I feel quite certain that the majority of TA's (we're talking 2700 people) won't be on the picket line in the event of a strike. Too many of them don't care/just want to keep working. There's a pretty strong chance that only a small portion of those 2700 students actually support the union, and another small portion actually are anti-union. Just like with most other issues on campus unfortunately, the majority dont' care and just want things to keep on going (and this is evidenced by the low voter turnout for the strike mandate). That means they're likely not going to be on the picket line.
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10-30-2009 at 10:15 PM
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Alright, completely fair.
It was my understanding that the taking pictures thing was from the CUPE handbook on picketing, not anything new though.
I tend to get anti union whenever I hear about unions using similar tactics. Which tends to be everytime I hear of unions...
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I agree some unions have done shitty things in the past. Such as during the garbage strike, they should have compromised - allowing people to keep the sick days they've already banked, but stopping the system. And during the York strike that left many students screwed.
My dad works for Toronto Hydro so he's part of a union. He works harder than most people (pulling lots of overtime to the point of exhaustion, doing extra work without pay, etc.) because he loves his job. After restructuring and firing the old management, they've tried to replace him with a younger guy even though he's fully capable of his job and has over 30 years of experience and consistenly upgrades his knowledge. If it weren't for the fact that he was in a union, he would have lost his job during the restructuring effort.
Not all unions are bad. It's just a lot of the media perpetuates a negative stereotype of the union and it's usually a few extremists that turn people off. You'll rarely hear any positive stories about unions because it's not exciting or attention grabbing.
That's why I prefer to look at both sides of an issue before jumping to conclusions.
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10-30-2009 at 10:24 PM
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If people had the right to decide whether or not they wanted to join a union when they get employed, I really wouldn't care all that much about unions. I'll always support their existence (people have a fundamental right to assemble), I just don't tend to support how they do business, and that includes forcing people to join and pay dues.
Unions do exist for good reason... I just think that the idealized concepts that unionism is based on simply can't exist, and the unions that exist today are like dark mutations of that good ideal situation.
Conclusion: if people's freedom from association was protected (thereby allowing people the choice of whether to join or not), I wouldn't be as against unions as I am.
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10-31-2009 at 09:37 AM
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Alright boys and girls, the shit has hit the fan. Once we know where the picket lines are we'll figure out where our lines will be.
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11-02-2009 at 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Taunton
Pot calling the kettle black?
There are very some very strong reasons to dislike unions. While your statement may be accurate in some cases (both sides ignoring opposing arguments) I think many of us are listening (I sure am), and we're simply not convinced either way.
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I'm inthe same boat: I appreciate what the union has done for me and I appreciate the strike on a philosophical level, but I feel somewhat pressured to cancel my tutorials and really don't want to.
But people need to read the posts from the senate and posts from the union and recognize that both of them are perverting their positions (obviously). Don't take anything that any party says at face value
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